Somewhere a while back, I saw this at PrepareforChange.net. I was at the CITD 2018, but I missed this live lecture, and although I purchased the DVD of this, I was only able to get through about 75% of it, then the DVD stopped playing.
Anyway, I was glad to see someone had put this online. I do believe it is very helpful (and perhaps, “important”) to understand the full picture of the Alliance, and the different parts of it. It also may be helpful to some to understand the role of various US Presidents in disclosure, and what Donald J. Trump is doing to help bring about full disclosure.
Some may wish to download, for safe keeping, the MP4s (video) and the MP3s (audio) (which are configured for use on smartphones) from the links below the videos.
At least four independent insider sources have revealed that the Alliance is now locating and legally seizing trillions and trillions of dollars in assets stolen by the Deep State.
The money is set to be released back into the legitimate economy as “prosperity funds” that could almost immediately create radical improvements in our overall quality of life.
Certain purported “sources” have been prognosticating this online for years, but this is the first time that our own insider circle has made such statements.
Enormous leaps forward are now being promised by Q Anon for this very month — July 2018. This is a very exciting moment.
The title graphic for this article is an illustration of what 15 trillion in 100-dollar bills would look like. One insider’s estimate of how much stolen money may be recovered is literally twice this amount.
Thankfully, no one will have to design a building big enough to hold all that cash. The stolen credits will simply be transferred back into the economy.
This is one major piece of “good news” that we have been authorized to discuss. The details of this plan are being hammered out in a variety of high-profile meetings of top world leaders.
The enigmatic Q Anon briefings went completely silent as of May 22nd following a big burst of data. It looked like it might be over. One small post was made on June 3rd, followed by another week-long delay.
As it turns out, this was because the team was fully focused on these high-profile meetings, which involved very serious and complex negotiations.
Then the cryptic announcements came back in full, daily force as of June 10th, and have continued ever since.
The Alliance versus Cabal battle is now moving so fast that we have not had time to keep up with it, given a very busy schedule of work, conferences and new initiatives.
Things have finally eased up enough for us to make the time to post… and I do apologize for the delay.
This may hopefully be one of the last ones we write before the “Big One” finally drops.
[UPDATED Tuesday, Wednesday. This article is now page-locked as of 4:50 PM MST, Wednesday, July 4, 2018.]
[ADDITIONAL UPDATE Saturday. Brief note to address the firestorm of controversy that erupted after we published this.]
WHAT IS Q ANON?
In case you are unaware of this, Q Anon is a series of enigmatic posts on 4Chan, an anonymous internet forum, which began last October.
[UPDATE: It began on 4Chan and quickly migrated to the far less extreme 8Chan, thanks to dozens of comments. I only read the aggregator sites like qanon.pub. Got it….]
These posts are giving the blow-by-blow stages in an ongoing, official effort to expose and defeat the Deep State / Cabal / New World Order / Illuminati.
All of our very best intel has confirmed that Q Anon is the legitimate, public voice of the Alliance, kept anonymous for their own protection.
A recent article, linked below, indicated that Q has called out certain prominent public figures as Alliance supporters:
Among the figures who have been promoted by QAnon as heroes resisting the “deep state” include Blackwater founder Erik Prince, Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and former Mayor of New York City turned Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani.
The statements in the Q Anon briefings have aligned very nicely with our own intel, and added vast amounts of new, supporting data.
Though our insiders have indicated the US President is cooperating with this agenda, the Alliance’s effort is decades in the making and far bigger than any one administration.
DON’T GET HUNG UP
Many people are divided about whether or not anything good is happening in the US executive branch at this time.
The good part is that with the incredible speed with which things are building, we won’t have long to find out what the results of these current, very provocative signposts will be.
You will always read comments on an article like this where people have already given up hope. I certainly haven’t.
It is very obvious that the Deep State is in a hyper-violent fight to the death right now, and it is losing by the day.
The sealed indictments alone are nothing we’ve ever before seen in history, and Q has now validated their involvement in the plan.
If our briefings are correct, we are seeing a nearly complete shut-down of human trafficking and pedo rings, an end to genocidal aspirations and “false flag” terrorism, and an imminent financial rehabilitation on an epic scale.
These events will also pave the way for disclosure of forbidden technology, the secret space program and the ET presence in time.
This will go from a “fringe” subject to something that is fully, absolutely mainstream, and a key concern on everyone’s minds.
We have been covering the Alliance’s efforts in great detail, with insider testimony, since 2009 — fully seven years before the last US Presidential election.
Q: “JULY 2018: THE MONTH THE WORLD DISCOVERED THE TRUTH”
Just a few days ago, on June 26th, 2018, QAnon made a very enigmatic statement in post number 1595.
Desperate agencies do stupid things.
Dead cat bounce.
You may have the site but we have the source. [DW: The “source” appears to be Julian Assange.] https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1011441579565953025📁
Panic is good.
Panic is right. July 2018 – the month the world discovered the TRUTH. Conspiracy no more.
Time to FEED.
Let’s just stop for a moment right there. “The month the world discovered the TRUTH” is a very, very provocative statement.
What truth? How far will it go? Does this mean that the indictments will start to become unsealed?
No matter what, Q is clearly prognosticating that many “conspiracy theories” will soon become provable facts.
And again, today is July 1st… so if all goes to plan, this disclosure event will happen within no more than 30 days tops.
THERE IS NOWHERE TO HIDE
Then the next day, June 27th, Q post number 1602 included the following:
Q!CbboFOtcZsID: 079dd1 No.1925332📁 The game is over when the public knows.
The fight to keep the LIGHTS OFF is all that matters to you.
You will FAIL.
The AMERICAN PEOPLE are AWAKE.
You lost CONTROL.
SHEEP NO MORE.
You underestimated their resolve and their ability to free-think away from the pipeline narrative.
We will DECLAS.
We will shine LIGHT.
THERE IS NOWHERE TO HIDE.
No amount of money, influence, or power can stop this.
Clearly, this is giving further context to what is being planned for this very month.
The “game” will be “over,” and the public will “know” — as various unpleasant secrets are declassified.
This is a provocative clue. It may well be that the Alliance is preparing to declassify space technology in the near future as well.
IT GOT EVEN MORE EXCITING AS WE WERE WRITING (HEY, THAT RHYMES)
Just as we were writing this section, even more posts came up in real time.
We just found out that Mueller’s team the Inspector General’s team actually has 470 people working it, and is directly responsible for filing the 40,483 sealed indictments now on record as of June 30th, 2018.
[UPDATE: The 470 people are on the Inspector General’s team. The link Q sent us to, as seen below, makes this clear. The post was a bit hard to understand. This is all anyone wanted to write in the comments! Got it….
Attorney General Sessions… also informed the chairmen that Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who is working with Huber, has a staff of 470 investigators, giving Huber access to enormous investigative firepower that far exceeds the staff of any special counsel.]
Even while Mueller appears to be going after the president, this is another clear insider “leak” that a far deeper agenda is at work.
Twitter user @damartin32 has been reporting on the efforts of a team of individuals who are systematically going through PACER.gov and looking for sealed indictments.
PACER stands for Public Access to Court Electronic Records. It is the definitive archive of court cases in America, sealed and unsealed.
The 40,483 indictments now on official record is a vastly, vastly higher number than the “norm” of 1,077 per year.
Please bear in mind that an indictment can only be filed after the conclusion of a grand jury, where a prosecutor questions witnesses in front of ordinary citizens.
Our intel has confirmed that many hundreds of secret grand juries and newly-hired attorneys have produced these indictments.
Ask yourself – does Huber have the ability to file across all 50 states?
Is any of this normal?
Think sealed indictments.
Think resignations of CEOs.
Think resignations of Senators.
Think resignations of Congress.
Think termination of senior FBI….
Think termination of senior DOJ….
How large is Mueller’s team?
20-25? Think 470.
The more you know.
THE UNSEALING WILL NOT LEAD TO A VIOLENT CIVIL WAR
And in post number 1664, we just heard that the unsealing of the indictments will NOT result in a civil war.
Nor is the dumb media fear-mongering about North Korea continuing their weapons program correct.
Here is an example of one such article from yesterday, June 30th, 2018:
U.S. intelligence officials, citing newly obtained evidence, have concluded that North Korea does not intend to fully surrender its nuclear stockpile, and instead is considering ways to conceal the number of weapons it has and secret production facilities, according to U.S. officials.
The evidence, collected in the wake of the June 12 summit in Singapore, points to preparations to deceive the United States about the number of nuclear warheads in North Korea’s arsenal as well as the existence of undisclosed facilities used to make fissile material for nuclear bombs, the officials said.
There will be no civil war.
Coordinated MSM hysteria designed to instill fear – change narrative.
NK is NOT advancing their weapons program.
Coordinated MSM hysteria designed to instill fear – change narrative.
After so many years of releasing inside intel about an international alliance working to defeat the New World Order / Illuminati / Cabal / Deep State, it is very gratifying to see the revolution now underway.
The revolution will not be televised, but thanks to the anonymity, scope and power of the internet, we can now make sense out of the many seemingly mysterious clues and signposts of this secret battle, and hear from the Alliance directly.
For many years I was almost a solitary voice of hope in a “conspiracy theory” crowd, with writers and video talents who typically acted as if the Deep State was all-powerful — giving it a nearly Godlike mystique of supernatural evil.
THERE WILL BE A CLUSTER OF VERY MAJOR EVENTS
The Alliance has discovered that their goal of defeating the Deep State has been far more complex, time-consuming and difficult than earlier battle plans had considered.
It is becoming obvious that a very large “drop” of contentious, world-changing information will occur at some point, now quite possibly before the end of this month.
This will likely be paired with dramatic and publicly visible actions, such as some form of the mass arrests we have been briefed about since 2009.
This is much different from insider chatter. There are literally forty thousand sealed criminal indictments ready to hit the scene.
It is hard to even imagine what names will be among those 40,000, and the things we will learn as it all becomes public.
Once this event sequence takes place, it will be up to us — this audience — to help everyone understand what is going on, and the positive nature of the steps that are being taken.
THE COSMIC IMPLICATIONS ARE VAST — AND SOUND LIKE SCI-FI
The Alliance is fighting to recover stolen funds, restore the devastated economy, end human trafficking, stop the real root cause of most terrorism, disclose the truth of the UFO presence, and release an incredible slate of “forbidden technologies.”
The “big picture” we have assembled from insiders such as Henry Deacon, Bob Dean, Clifford Stone, Pete Peterson, William Tompkins, Corey Goode and Emery Smith suggests that our own Earth humanity is already an interstellar species.
The true scope and depth of our technological advancement, and interaction with extraterrestrial societies, has been deeply hidden from us, even at the highest levels of elected government.
This is not likely to continue for much longer. Q Anon has just gone “all in” with their imminent July prophecy.
IT IS DIFFICULT TO ADJUST
The truth is admittedly difficult to adjust to. I have been interviewing and connecting with insiders with “Cosmic” clearance, directly or indirectly, since 1993.
Cosmic clearance is considered to be 35 levels of “Need to Know” above the President of the United States.
The Deep State is not only involved in mega-banks, media and corporations. They are the closed, elite society that has hoarded all of these cosmic advancements for themselves — even from our own elected governments.
Until and unless you have Cosmic clearance, you won’t even begin to understand what is really going on in the inside world. These various programs are highly compartmentalized.
I attended the Disclosure Project event in May, 2001, where 39 top insiders came forward as whistleblowers to reveal the truth of the UFO cover-up. I met the majority of all of these insiders during the course of a four-day trip.
Since that time I have had several others come forward and share intel with me on an exclusive basis.
Now that Emery Smith has come forward, you have the opportunity to hear from another new insider who helped introduce me to this vast world of secrecy over the past decade.
THE MASS OPINION HAS CHANGED
A very elaborate and brutal psy-ops campaign has been in place ever since the Roswell Crash was awkwardly re-written as a “weather balloon” after an initial media juggernaut of truth about a crashed “flying disc.”
Anyone who is about 35 and up, and particularly those who are 50 and up, may still carry the scars of this “psychological operation” in their psyche.
It never ceases to surprise me how many people actually have their own UFO sighting story to share, once they find out I am a public figure who discusses the subject.
Again and again I find people in these older age ranges actually feel depressed about their sighting, rather than invigorated.
So strong was the “laughter curtain” that they often wished they never had the experience, as they did not want to become a “Saucer Freak.”
People 35 and under are almost completely immune from this sense of fear and ridicule, as they have grown up in a world of decentralized, on-demand media.
Similarly, the Pizzagate and Q Anon discussions have gained far more traction and credibility within this younger demographic as well.
THE BIGGEST LIE
So in case you are new to this, the reason why the global economy is so depressed is that money has been stolen from us on a truly outrageous scale.
There is clearly a tremendous amount of money missing. It obviously didn’t just vanish. It all had to go somewhere.
The amounts that have disappeared are vastly greater than any luxuries the “one percent” could possibly afford, such as houses, cars, jets and yachts.
It is literally enough money to build entire civilizations — as the Chinese have been doing with similar amounts.
A VAST, HIGH-TECH INFRASTRUCTURE — TOTALLY IN SECRET
Even the “trillions and trillions” that we are hearing may get re-introduced into the economy by the Alliance is only a small figure compared to the total amount of theft that has taken place.
Top insiders reveal that much of our money has been spent on developing a vast amount of high-tech infrastructure in underground and off-world bases, as well as the craft and facilities to make it all possible.
This is the Biggest Lie that seems so incomprehensible.
Even worse is the fact that the group responsible for this vast, super-high-tech secrecy is actively involved in the practice of what most sane individuals would call evil.
This is far more than just a vaguely-outlined belief system. It is a very complex religion with a host of different symbols that we are constantly being bombarded with.
THE BIBLE IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE ACCURATE
Sacred texts such as the Bible start to seem far more credible than most people have imagined once you truly understand what is actually going on.
Jesus caused quite a headache for the Roman Empire.
This same elite relocated to the islands of Great Britain to protect themselves from land invasion and become the elusive global menace that Jesus and St John the Divine’s prophecies had spoken of.
Most of Europe was under the control of the Deep State until recently. The same was true for other British protectorates (South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and Canada) as well as the US.
Indeed, much of the “civilized Western world” was being held in a strangle-hold by this globalist elite cult.
This is the true realization of St. John the Divine’s prophecy of “the Great Beast of Revelations having dominion over the Earth.”
I don’t try to shove any religion down anyone’s throat. I do find it interesting to note the similarities between Bible prophecy and the true, hidden reality of today’s world.
WHAT ABOUT THE ANTICHRIST?
At my last conference I had a woman come up to me and nervously ask me if the “Antichrist” is coming, who it would be, and what we would need to do to oppose him / it.
I explained to her that this prophecy was most likely metaphorical in nature, speaking about a much larger problem than could ever have consolidated into a single Hitler-type individual.
Simply put, the Antichrist prophecy has already come true — in the form of many different individuals who are participating in this horrific agenda in various ways.
The classic Edgar Cayce psychic readings defined the Antichrist prophecies as referring to a “spirit of hate” that affects many people in our world to varying degrees:
“The fruits of the spirit of the Christ [Christ Consciousness] are love, joy, obedience, long-suffering, brotherly love, kindness.
Against such, there is no law.
The spirit of hate, the anti-Christ, is contention, strife, fault-finding.
Those are the anti-Christ, and take possession of groups, masses, and show themselves even in the lives of men.”
– Edgar Cayce
Every essential aspect of the Antichrist prophecy has already been in place for quite some time, when seen in terms of this Cayce reading.
The world was thoroughly and completely deceived by a group that controlled all major aspects of our society, and had a secret goal to kill off the vast majority of us — in what they call “depopulation.”
This agenda has been shoved in our face for quite some time — forcing us to have to reconcile the inner conflicts of living in a world run by psychopathic, suicidal “leaders.”
NUCLEAR WAR WAS VERY MUCH BEING PLANNED
As an example, the Cabal really did intend to have a global nuclear war. They drilled out a truly vast underground infrastructure of over 265 cities to comfortably live out their lives until the surface again became habitable.
Thankfully, beings we would have called “angels” in the Bible, and which are now referred to as positive extraterrestrials, have systematically prevented any and all attempts to create nuclear war from succeeding.
This even included the complete melting down of all nuclear warheads in the US and USSR both some time in 1990. Multiple insiders including Bob Dean and Pete Peterson have confirmed that this event did take place.
IT BECOMES VERY DIFFERENT ONCE YOU SEE THESE ETs AS BEING REAL, EMBODIED BEINGS
The USSR was greatly demoralized by losing their entire arsenal and could not keep up the charade any longer — causing it to collapse within the following year.
Many other insiders have reported on UFOs appearing over nuclear missile installations and powering down the entire facility.
The story becomes very interesting once we realize that the beings in our ancient texts are very real.
These beings become far more three-dimensional — or, more precisely, multi-dimensional — once we realize that they never left.
Emery Smith is only the latest whistleblower to come forward with reports of multiple, direct interactions with extraterrestrials working in underground corporate/military bases.
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AGREEMENT ON SECRECY
Even back in the 1990s, I remember reading vintage UFO books such as the works of Timothy Good, where he reported that a sizable number of people in this “black ops” world wanted to tell the public the truth.
The truth-seekers have consistently been overpowered and out-muscled by the elite group wishing to keep everything a secret.
The idea that “Everyone is In On It, All Government, Intelligence and Military is Bad” is really nothing more than a fairytale — ironically created by these same individuals.
The Deep State very much wanted us to lose all hope in the idea that any credible opposition existed to counteract their sinister agenda.
In reality, powerful opposition groups have existed all along. They have come surprisingly close to succeeding on multiple occasions just in the 20th century alone.
Now the momentum is unstoppable.
There is a huge shake-up going on worldwide. Many different opposing factions are working together in what we are calling the Alliance.
If Q is right, the Alliance is about to make the first of a series of very big moves in the public eye.
HIDING IT OUT IN THE OPEN
To me, the most surprising aspect of the Cabal / Deep State / Illuminati is how blatantly and repeatedly they advertise their occult religious symbolism.
You see it everywhere — in movies, music videos, TV shows, video games, awards ceremonies and the like.
Once you understand the canon of symbols, such as the Masonic arch, the Masonic pillars, the Square and Compass, the All-Seeing Eye, the Templar / Maltese cross, pyramids, obelisks, number codes, pentagrams, “fallen angels” and so on, you will never look at “entertainment” the same way.
Typically once you start seeing these symbols appear in a movie, you will end up finding dozens of examples.
We have covered this extensively in many previous entries of David’s Blog here on the Divine Cosmos website.
IT WILL TRIP YOU OUT
It is quite a psychedelic experience to “awaken” and realize that this has been “hiding out in the open” the entire time.
The religion this group practices requires them to tell us about it. According to Q, this requirement will be their downfall.
Consider this post, number 1630 from June 28th, 2018:
The next post, number 1631, gave even more details.
The “fire drill” five minutes before the mass shooting is an important point.
Once you do your homework, you find that in these contrived, Deep State-ordered events, they often have drills scheduled right before the event.
In a psychopathic way, this helps them feel like they aren’t quite as evil, since they’ve already positioned emergency staff at the site.
On the day of 9/11, there were multiple drills scheduled in the affected area, which most media just framed as a happy, if not Divine coincidence:
However, in post number 1632, Q also points out that not everyone who is a Freemason is supporting a negative agenda — just as we saw with the American Founding Fathers:
The superheroes were duped into supporting his “depopulation” agenda.
There was no Fantom except for M himself — carrying on the lineage of Templars and Masons.
M carefully collected samples of what made each of them “extraordinary” in the hopes of creating an army of supervillains.
Naturally, this film bombed at the box office, and demoralized Sean Connery enough that he never made another film.
In Hancock, Will Smith is a drunk, violent and miserable “fallen angel” who has to go through a deep healing process to become a positive force for humanity again.
The “superhero as fallen angel” theme is one the Cabal has used extensively — becoming far more blatant in Batman Vs. Superman.
Charlize Theron ends up being Hancock’s surviving counterpart, an immortal who has also lived on earth for thousands of years.
UNBELIEVABLE IN THE POST-PIZZAGATE WORLD
Charlize’s husband is trying to launch a charitable business where corporations are asked to give away important products for free.
The symbol he created to show these businesses are “accepted,” which they will then “proudly” display on their products, is a heart within a heart.
In the post-Pizzagate world, this is now an undeniable reference to the Girl Lover pedo symbol.
This next image comes directly out of an unclassified FBI database:
It is particularly shocking that this 2007 movie ends with Hancock somehow painting this symbol onto the Moon, supposedly just to help his friend’s startup business.
Obviously if a super-being existed and were to actually have done this, it would be an extraordinary act of vandalism that he would immediately have to repair.
Even weirder is that the size and positioning of this heart symbol precisely matched images of Pluto that we weren’t “officially” allowed to see until New Horizons imaged it almost a decade later…. in 2015.
This may have been “seeded” into the movie to be discovered later, in an attempt to give people more of a sense of the power and significance of the “heart within a heart” symbol as an apparent positive.
It could be a coincidence that the Moon heart in Hancock matches the Pluto heart so well.
It could also be the result of inside intel from covert space missions that most of us have been kept in the dark about.
Pedos typically become very obsessed with their practices. It would make sense that they would want to envision a world where the Moon itself advertises their symbols to us every night.
OTHER ELEMENTS WORTH CONSIDERING
Multiple stars have said that pedophilia is the “Open Secret” in Hollywood that no one really wants to face — hence Amy Berg’s suppressed documentary of the same name, with some major celebrities in it.
Actors often get duped into taking these roles with events and symbolism that they are not aware of.
I feel Will Smith is a complete innocent in this case. It saddened me to discover this connection.
Since I have met both of his kids at the health food store, Jaden and Wilough, and spoke to them in depth, I want to make it clear that I do not think he willingly supported any of this.
LET’S GET SPECIFIC
In one scene of Hancock, Will’s character slaps Charlize’s blonde boy on his butt and says “If they tell you to turn the other cheek, don’t make it this one.”
This is funny, but with the symbols in place it becomes very creepy. It cleverly disses Christianity at the same time.
Earlier in the film he had slapped a woman’s butt in a clearly sexual way, on the same side.
In the special features, they brag about how Will Smith is so beloved he can “get away” with doing “just about anything” in a movie.
As they say this, they show the scene of him slapping the woman’s butt.
Strangely, Hancock’s ancient relationship with Charlize is cursed. They can never be together for very long or they will both lose their superpowers, become weak and die.
This really got me thinking. What in the world could this mean?
IT COULD REPRESENT A “CURSE” IN REAL LIFE, OVERSHADOWING AN INVOLVEMENT
Consider all the pedo symbols so prominently displayed in the film, including Child Lover spirals Hancock etched into the walls.
This curse could subconsciously represent how pedos can never spend much time with the children they “groom”.
Any involvement is doomed to fail from the start.
Yet an important part of their religion is that “magical power” is achieved from these interactions — just like in the movie.
They “hide out in the open” with so many examples like these. Prominent, multi-million-dollar films are often vehicles of propaganda.
This creates a schizoidal situation, where we are simultaneously bombarded with proof that they exist, while being aggressively ridiculed as “conspiracy theorists” if we identify it.
THINK OF IT AS ONE BANK
Another key area to remember, particularly if we end up seeing trillions of stolen dollars re-introduced into the economy, is the story of the “too big to fail” banks.
Dr. James Glattfelder et al. proved that a mere 147 corporations are secretly earning 80 percent of all the money to be made in the world.
The LIBOR and other scandals revealed that these megabanks only appear to be competing with each other.
They are actually rigging their own credit ratings to appear far more financially solvent than they really are.
A VAST PONZI SCHEME
“Too Big to Fail” banking is a truly vast, international Ponzi scheme.
The scam is so big that it makes Bernie Madoff look like the three-year old student of a backwoods Sunday school teacher.
Imagine that you have one single bank that created many divisions for the purpose of “divide and conquer.”
All the while, their apparent competition is a fraud — and the Cabal continues to profit regardless of which of its entities are doing the best.
Nonetheless, we are still forced to use these utilities in order to function in the world and get anything done.
Banking is undergoing sweeping and massive reform, after many lawsuits, but clearly more change and awareness is needed.
The extraordinary money flowing through this group allows them to continually finance propaganda disguised as expensive entertainment.
JUST USE LOGIC
A simple exercise of logic would reveal that many people in all different levels of power are not going to agree with a suicidal depopulation agenda.
The Cabal folks are notorious for committing acts of betrayal. In fact, Illuminati whistleblower Svali revealed that “Betrayal is the first rule of the Order.”
This is something that parents in the cult will say to their own children after putting them through horrific experiences.
YOU CANNOT FUNCTION
Think about what would happen if your computer ran on a similar principle.
The hard drive would betray the CPU, who was secretly plotting against the memory — and nothing would ever even function.
It is very, very important to realize that ANY form of mass exposure or awakening about what this group is doing is literally fatal for them.
The only exception would be if they had totally brought the world to its knees first, which they thankfully have not done.
Their “New World Order” plan only involved revealing their true identity after most of us had died, and the rest of us would literally starve without their direct, emergency aid.
They cannot afford to have their secrets openly and publicly exposed in today’s world — even as they keep exposing us to their religion through seemingly fictional works of “entertainment” and symbolic public events.
WHY DID “SOLO” REALLY FAIL?
As an example, I am convinced that the real reason the “Solo” Star Wars movie bombed so badly is because The Last Jediwas loaded with deeply disturbing, Luciferian themes.
So much for the light being good and the “dark side of the Force” being bad. Once George Lucas lost control, the same tired old “Illuminati” agenda soon emerged.
Now Luke Skywalker has become more “enlightened” by realizing that he must embrace the Dark Side and combine it with the light.
He conveys the same understanding to his female protege’, who is the hero of the film.
This is precisely what the Cabal’s religion actually teaches.
400 MILLION HAS BEEN RAISED TO “REMAKE THE LAST JEDI”
An astonishing fan-based uprising has occurred against this disaster of a film — the likes of which have never before been seen in the history of cinema.
A hero is someone we can relate to, someone who faces obstacles and finds ways to either overcome them or cope and deal with them throughout their story.
The more relate-able a hero is to human nature, the more compelling the story, because people begin to see themselves in these heroes. This is imperative to storytelling, because if you don’t care about the characters, then you don’t care to see where their story goes.
When we decide to edit out the human element from within a story, then the story becomes no longer compelling.
This is why many of us tend to point at The Last Jedi as having a bad story. The characters have lost their relatability.
Hence, in moments when the audience should feel the most concern for these heroes, be in anticipation of what happens next, we feel disconnected and almost indifferent — and the movie fails to penetrate into the ethos of human nature (the basis for telling stories).
This website does not spell out the deeper issue — which is that the heroes are now embracing the Dark Side as being a good thing.
The pledged amount is now enough to make two and a half more Star Wars movies with the Hero’s Journey elements restored.
You would think any legitimate studio would be ecstatic about this, particularly in our current economy.
Even if only 25 percent of pledges actually followed through, that’s nearly their entire budget.
MINIMIZING: CLASSIC TRAIT OF NARCISSISTS
Instead, the studio’s response has been to completely sideline and dismiss this movement as frivolous and stupid:
After a poor performance by “Solo: A Star Wars Story” — a movie poised to become the first money-losing film in the series — Disney faces criticism over how it’s managing one of Hollywood’s most lucrative franchises.
The company is dealing with reports that its next stand-alone “Star Wars” movie may be delayed and an effort by one faction of fans to remake “The Last Jedi,” which came out in December….
When films cost $300 million or $400 million to produce and release, a cool response from audiences can bring huge losses.
Then there’s the question of what fans actually want. The latest controversy facing Disney is a social-media campaign to remake “The Last Jedi.”
The effort is unlikely to succeed — either in raising enough money [WTF?] or securing Disney’s cooperation —but it has highlighted the disquiet among some of the fan base.
With such costly projects, having a core group of acolytes — the kind of people who see a movie several times in the theaters — is crucial.
Warner Bros.’ DC Comics film franchise, for instance, has struggled to build momentum. Poor reviews and controversial story lines for characters like Superman have hindered the movies.
THROWING GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD
How is the studio responding to this massive public uprising? The same article tells us exactly what they are going to do.
This Last Jedi director Rian Johnson — whose main achievement beforehand was the propaganda-loaded film Looper — is now being given THE NEXT TRILOGY of Star Wars films.
And — the authors of the most Illuminati-heavy show on television — Game of Thrones — have been handed all the spinoffs.
Isn’t it strange that one of the top stars in the latest Star Wars film was featured in this deeply disturbing and violent rap video just before the movie’s release?
The Deep State is yearning for a “race war” to get us fighting against each other instead of realizing we have a common enemy.
White people might not catch all the racist references in this video. It obviously seems intended to create violent rage in blacks — to inspire revenge attacks against whites.
Gambino’s gunning-down of the gospel singers is apparently intended to invoke the Charleston shootings, where white supremacist Dylan Roof gunned down nine Black church members.
[UPDATE: I have two close friends who are Black and who are very disturbed by this video. Some commenters tried to say “whites don’t get it.” No matter what, this was an incredibly divisive move for Disney to have made.]
This deeply racist group is lashing out as they surf inevitably towards a total exposure and defeat — desperate to turn us against each other instead of realizing that we have a common enemy.
THANKFULLY IT IS NOT WORKING
As the Q Anon briefings have indicated, these pathetic attempts to manipulate the public are consistently falling flat.
It is very likely that we will never see any more of the “Illuminized” Star Wars sequels.
The franchise will likely succumb to the 400 million-dollar wishes of its fan base, as well as the noble efforts of the Alliance.
We can expect that a massive number of Hollywood executives will be frog-marched out of their studios as their indictments become unsealed.
The resulting public outcry will mean that these topics are no longer “conspiracy theories,” but established facts.
TRILLIONS WILL BE RETURNED
My wife tells me my articles are always too long, and at this point I still haven’t even begun to cover all the interesting things that are now going on in this battle.
There is much more data to discuss as the time becomes available.
It is an “embarrassment of riches” at this point, if your goal is to prove the reality of the Alliance versus Cabal war.
However, I am happy that we now have the most up-to-date Alliance information embedded into the beginning.
The briefings we have received indicated that major deals were being negotiated in the “down-time” of the Q briefings, regarding the return of trillions of dollars of stolen money.
Apparently, the people who have already been brought in and interrogated, along with the investigative work of the Alliance, have uncovered multiple hiding places for massive amounts of stolen funds.
We will need to rehabilitate our world and its systems, and restore public faith and confidence in our institutions. These prosperity funds should go a long way in that direction.
The excitement going on right now is so high it is almost unbelievable.
Another authorized Alliance briefing came in from our sources, upon my explicit request for more data, right before we posted this article.
The now-legendary insider Sigmund has not yet come forward, but he probably will in the not-too-distant future — and he will look just like the picture of him that we commissioned.
In the meantime, he has resurfaced to give us further information.
One of the main remaining Khazarian power centers, the BIS—the central bank of central banks—is now being told to return the stolen gold they have used to finance the so-called G7 and G20 groups of nations, according to members of Asian and Western secret societies.
This will become visible to the Western public during and after the NATO meeting scheduled for July 11th and 12th,
where the biggest changes in European governance since World War 2 will be set into motion…..
Our Pentagon sources note that, “In a blunt warning to the deep state, the NSA deleted 685 million call records of innocent people, while keeping the rest for military tribunals and other purposes.”
We’re going to have a lot of fun with this. We’re going to get into William Tompkins and some of the amazing research that Michael Salla has done in validating even further some of the claims that might seem pretty outrageous that we’ve been discussing on this show.
So, Corey, welcome back.
Corey Goode: Thank you.
David: Dr. Salla, welcome to the show.
Dr. Michael Salla: Thank you, David.
David: Your site is called “Exopolitics”, so it sounds kind of self-explanatory, but I’d like you to just start by defining what you consider exopolitics to be.
Michael: Oh, sure. Well, I was teaching international politics at American University in Washington, D.C. when I first came across this information about extraterrestrial life and repressed technologies.
And the more I looked into this and did my due diligence, I found out that this was very real.
And so I looked at, well, what is the appropriate term to describe this? And being in international politics, the obvious one was something to do with politics, and, you know, because we have exobiology, exoplanetology, so the logical thing was exopolitics.
So I began to do research on it since that time.
David: When we see people talking about Voyager 2 . . .
. . . and the little plaque that is etched in on that with the image of the two humans . . .
. . . and then here we are, we’re located here, . . .
. . . has your research concluded that that might be unnecessary or redundant? Are we really alone, or have we already been contacted?
Michael: Well, definitely, when you look at all of the whistleblower testimonies that have come forward over the years and all the witnesses, people who have had experiences, it’s not a question of, well, one day, will we discover extraterrestrial life or will they discover us?
We’ve been discovered a long time ago and that they’re actually visiting and interacting with us, and it’s all about just learning about who’s interacting with who, what government agencies, what military departments are involved in this and the cover-up, and the extent of the cooperation.
That’s the thing that most interested me, because I was always wanting to know – well, what is it that’s driving international politics? And so the more we know about the agreements that exist, the more we know about what really is behind international politics.
David: And when we find out that all these decisions are being made without any voting, without any public approval, how have you positioned yourself in this dialogue with exopolitics?
Michael: Well, as a political scientist, I mean, what we really try to do is, you not so much kind of make value judgments about what policies are appropriate or not, but we just try to bring transparency into the whole issue.
Because the more things become transparent, the better decisions you can make about what should be done or what shouldn’t be done. And then accountability. I mean, that’s the key thing.
For political scientists, you’re always looking at – well, how can we make people accountable? How can we make politicians, policy makers accountable for their actions?
And to make it possible for them to become accountable, you need to have transparency. So when we look at this whole extraterrestrial phenomenon, there’s very little transparency.
So that means that people are doing things, making decisions that affect all of us without any knowledge on the side of the public or politicians, representatives that are supposed to be there kind of regulating this in some way, and zero accountability.
So to me, that’s really the goal – to kind of bring transparency, to bring light to all of this phenomenon.
Corey: The lack of transparency, yes, being the problem, that’s where the whistleblowers come in. Correct? And you’ve had access to William Tompkins for some time.
Michael: Right. Well, Bill Tompkins was very interesting because, when I first heard of him at the end of 2015, early 2016, I listened to some audio interviews about him, and he had incredible testimony.
And thankfully, I knew the key person that was involved in his book that actually came out in public in December of 2015 that is, “Selected by Extraterrestrials”.
And Dr. Robert Wood was a colleague, and so I found him, and I said, “Well, how come you’re working with this man, Bill Tompkins, who has this incredible story?”
And Bob told me all about Bill Tompkins’s history.
Corey: Yeah. Bob is known as a nuts and bolts guy.
Michael: And I’ve worked with Bob in the past in terms of validating certain documents, especially concerning the Kennedy assassination.
So to my mind, Bob is really one of the leading experts when it comes to document verification, especially when it comes to these secret projects.
So here he is saying that Bill Tompkins is the real deal, that he did work in this really highly secretive program that was run by the Navy, and then he worked in Douglas Aircraft Company for over a decade, and that his information was legit. So I then followed up.
I went down to actually interview Bill Tompkins in January of 2016 and did about 10 hours of video interviewing and really tried to get to the bottom of his story.
And then I went about the process of checking it out. Well, how valid is it, and do the people he named in his story really exist? Because what Bob would have done was he was able to validate the part of Bill Tompkins’s story in terms of him working at Douglas Aircraft Company for 12 years, from 1950 to 1963.
But what about his time at the Naval Air Station in San Diego? Did that check you? Do the people he named – are they real people?
And the one that was the most problematic was the admiral that was supposedly running this program, which, in the book itself, he actually misspelled the name of the admiral. So we had no way of checking out, well, did this guy really exist?
David: So Michael, when we’re hearing videos with Tompkins, he says “Rick Obatta”. And it sounds like the guy’s name is Rick. So what was the secret that cracked this case, because I thought it was Rick, too?
Michael: Well, in the book, he refers to him as “Rick Obatta”.
Michael: And so we couldn’t find any admiral called “Rick Obatta”, and so there was a breakthrough then eventually.
What happened was that it turned out that his name was “Rico Botta, B-O-T-T-A.
Michael: So once we found his real name, then we were able to kind of track down some biography on him and found out that, yes, this guy really did work for the Navy, that he was an admiral, and that he was in charge of the Naval Air Station in San Diego.
But what was really . . . I found fascinating was that, as we were trying to confirm whether or not this admiral existed and we found the name Rico Botta, but it was like, well, what do we know of him? There was nothing on the Internet about him.
So then just at that same time, in March of 2016, magically, on this Navy Aviator’s website called “The Golden Eagles”, there was a one-page biography of Admiral Rico Botta. It just appeared like that – out of nowhere.
It was almost like we were being helped . . .
Michael: . . . by people inside of the Navy that wanted to give us some assistance.
Corey: Exactly. Right.
Michael: Because prior to March of 2016, there was absolutely nothing on the Internet about Rico Botta.
Corey: That’s very possible since Tompkins is a sanctioned disclosure.
Michael: Well, that’s right, that Tompkins is being helped. And to me, that was a really powerful confirmation that there are people in the Navy that want his story to come out.
Because once that one-page biography came out, then we were able to do due diligence in finding out more about Rico Botta, about his history, what Navy departments he was involved in after the Naval Air Station in San Diego.
So that was a big breakthrough because really confirming Rico Botta was the key in that part of Tompkins’s story where he worked at the Naval Air Station in San Diego.
David: Well, Michael, I’d like to back up a little bit because, as a prominent UFO researcher, you are really one of the only people in the field who has broken ranks and stepped up and actually believed Corey’s story to be credible.
Now, what was it for you that made you feel that Corey was credible?
Michael: Right. Well, one of the things that really kind of helped me was to see how his testimony was so consistent and how his body language was so consistent.
And when I first began to kind of communicate with Corey, back in – what was it – 2016, early 2016 – no, 2015.
Corey: That’s right. ’15.
Michael: Yeah. Early 2015. We did some email interviews. I think we did about a dozen or so like that.
Corey: That’s right.
Michael: And so Corey was responding to questions, and so I would read his responses to those questions and put those out for the public so people could read what Corey was saying.
And so that was really very helpful because then we could see how his questions in these videos matched the questions that he had written down.
Because when you respond in writing, you know, you’re accessing a certain part of the brain.
Michael: Your left brain. And when you’re responding verbally in an interview, then you’re using the right side of the brain. But the things matched. The testimony was the same.
And then there were a lot of things circumstantially that matched, and the one that really kind of was very important for me was when Corey was talking about his trip to Mars in mid-2015 where he said that he went there with Gonzales to investigate slave labor abuses on Mars and described going to a colony where there was this kind of brutal manager of this facility, and he really ran it like a dictatorship.
Well, at the very same time that Corey came out with this information, the British Interplanetary Society organized this symposium in London where they had 30 top aerospace engineers and think tank people as well as some government representatives there discussing the very problem of how to remove a Mars’ corporate dictator, that Mars would have a base in the future where there would be a dictator.
And it’s like how do you remove this person?
Corey: Yeah, it was within days of the information coming out on “Cosmic Disclosure”.
Michael: Exactly. Exactly. And then there was a lot of other kind of congruities in terms of President Obama signing a bill that would actually make space mining immune from any kind of regulatory oversight, which meant that any abuses that were happening in space in terms of corporations abusing slave labor that were doing space mining, that all of that was free from any kind of government regulatory frameworks up until 2022.
So this all began in that same time that Corey was coming out with this information.
So there were a number of other things like that.
David: One of the other noteworthy things I think about here is that you wrote the first book to actually discuss Corey Goode.
Michael: The book title is “Insiders Reveal Secret Space Programs & Extraterrestrial Alliances”. And what I did in there was just used a lot of Corey’s testimony that he had shared through these email interviews.
And so I used a lot of that material and just kind of did due diligence on it in the book in terms of – well, how does this match with historic documents? I mean, one of the key things that Corey said was that Nazi Germany had developed a secret space program and that this was operating out of Nazi Germany and out of Antarctica.
And so I looked into, well, what evidence is there that the Nazis actually did develop a space program? And so there were historic documents that kind of supported that.
One was a set of documents out of fascist Italy from 1933 that showed that Benito Mussolini set up a top secret think tank to study a retrieved flying saucer – that the Italians in 1933 had discovered a flying saucer and that they had set up a top secret group to study it under Guglielmo Marconi. He was the head of it.
And so that showed that Italy, as early as 1933, was studying this phenomenon. And then soon after Italy entered into the agreement with Germany, and they shared all of that technology, all of their findings.
So that kind of supported what Corey was saying.
Corey: And then you fast forward to William Tompkins’s book coming out that is saying very much the same thing, and Tompkins had been writing it throughout the whole time we were doing this show.
Michael: Exactly. Actually, what happened was that Bob Wood got a copy of my book and shared it with Bill Tompkins . . .
Corey: That’s right.
Michael: . . . and said, “This is very similar to what you’re saying” because my book came out in September of 2015, and Bill Tompkin’s book came out in December of 2015.
Michael: And so the book where I’m basically examining your testimony and the history of this Secret Space Program in terms of the role of Nazi Germany with two separate programs – one in Germany and one in Antarctica – that this was something that was in the book.
And Bill Tompkins reads it, and he’s saying, “Oh, my God! How did this information come out? I thought I was the only one that knew about this, and I was going to break it.”
Michael: But he was shocked that someone actually was sharing that before. So that was, to me, a very important corroboration from what you had said.
Corey: And I know you’ve done a lot of research into Tompkins since then. And through all the research that you’ve done, how many correlations have you seen? Has it been consistent?
Michael: Oh, a lot of correlations. I mean, just from very beginning in terms of how it all began, and then the role of the Navy, the US Navy, in putting together their own program to study what the Germans were doing, and then to begin the process of kind of reverse engineering and designing their own ships.
And so that was very important corroboration that Tompkins had to share.
David: So, Corey, when he mentioned fascist Italy finding a UFO, I’ve never heard you on this show, or with any conversation, talk about what was the role of fascist Italy in this whole German Secret Space Program.
Do you have any personal knowledge of that?
Corey: Yes. Yes. A lot of the underground or mountainous types of bases that they had, they had in Italy.
David: Oh, really?
Corey: They were allowed areas in Italy where they could develop technology, and parts of it was developed in Italy.
Michael: And what I found very interesting that correlated between what Corey had to say and what Bill Tompkins had to say was that Marconi took a lot of that information to South America to start up a program down there – a kind of more private program – and Bill Tompkins said the same thing, that Marconi did start up something down in South America and that the Italians actually had a very big space program.
And so that is also one of the things that I found correlating between Bill and Corey.
David: So Michael, did you get into the research of Die Glocke, the German Bell craft and the anti-gravity research that they were doing? Did you cover that in the book?
Michael: I did. That was kind of like the effort by the Nazis to weaponize these kind of technologies during the war.
Michael: So that was part of that kind of program that was run by the Nazi SS and under Kammler, and that’s where you have witnesses who have talked about the Nazi Bell and how that was something that they unsuccessfully attempted to weaponize, but that in Antarctica, you had a lot of the top Nazi scientists going.
And that’s where they really developed their most ambitious and, ultimately, the most effective space program.
Corey: Right. And the non-kinetic weapons to go along with them.
Corey: The energy-based weapons.
David: So did you ever get into Project Highjump, because that’s one of the most remarkable things that Corey’s testimony has shared with us is this idea of a planned invasion of Antarctica after World War II to try to defeat whatever Nazi base was down there?
Did that check out when you did the research?
Michael: Yeah, exactly. That was a very important part of Corey’s testimony, and it’s something I’ve been interested in for a few years. There’s been a lot of rumors about Operation Highjump, and there’s a lot of information out there about Operation Highjump in terms of exactly what it was that Admiral Byrd’s taskforce encountered down there.
But what I found very helpful from Bill Tompkins’s testimony was that he said that there was some context to Operation Highjump, that it wasn’t just this battle where the Navy kind of tried to take out the Nazi base in ’46, ’47, that as a prelude that Admiral Byrd went down to Antarctica in ’45, ’46 to negotiate with the Nazis down there.
So there was an attempt to first negotiate with the Nazis, and that that negotiation was not successful, and that the British had sent their special operations teams down there in that summer of ’45, ’46, which is immediately after the Second World War, after Japan’s surrender in August.
So that meant that after Japan’s surrender in August, four months later, you have the British and the Americans both sending groups down there to Antarctica to find the Germans, to find any bases, and to negotiate, because they had negotiated with the Nazi SS at the end of the war, so they thought they could do the same with the Nazis in Antarctica, but that failed.
And so according to Bill Tompkins, when Admiral Byrd went back to Washington D.C. and said, “Well, the negotiations have failed,” that’s when the Navy decided that, at the next opportunity, which would be the southern hemisphere’s summer of 1946, ’47, they would launch Taskforce 68, which was Operation Highjump.
And, of course, that gave the Germans time to finish the development of directed energy weapons so that they could outfit their flying saucers down there so that, when the Navy showed up, now they had these flying saucers that were very effective in fighting against the Navy’s best fighter planes and took out their destroyers and other ships as well.
Corey: Did Tompkins, in that testimony, happen to mention high-level meetings between the US and the Nazi breakaway faction in Argentina, or did he mention Antarctica?
Michael: He said, in ’45, ’46, that Admiral Byrd went down to Antarctica for conducting those specific negotiations.
Corey: Because I did read about high-level meetings that occurred in Argentina.
David: During the same time frame?
Michael: Right. Okay. Well, that would be very consistent, I think, because there were many kind of stories about Hitler and Kammler and Bormann all going down to South America, setting up what would be the kind of political power, or the political center, of the Fourth Reich.
Corey: And they’re also the gatekeepers to what’s going on in Antarctica.
Michael: Right. I think that’s . . . Yes, so there would’ve been negotiations there or meetings there, but Byrd apparently just went down to Antarctica straight to conduct these negotiations, according to Bill Tompkins.
David: Now, you may remember – I’m sure you do – the insider that Rich Dolan interviewed who said that there was a plan at one point to invade Area 51 from the President of the United States.
So I think it might be good for you to share what you know about that with us right now as a context to Highjump.
Corey: I think a president actually made a threat to invade with the army – with the First Army Division or something.
Michael: Yes, that’s right. That was a whistleblower that Linda Moulton Howe first interviewed about 12 years ago. He used the pseudonym Cooper, and he said that he was part of a CIA team that was commanded by President Eisenhower to go to Area 51, to the S4 facility, and to find out what was going on down there, because Eisenhower felt that he was out of the loop – that the agreements that had been reached with the Nazis, with extraterrestrials, Eisenhower assumed that as the President, as the Commander-in-Chief, that there would be a chain of command, because that’s what he was used to.
Michael: But what became clear was that the people running things in Area 51, they had a different vision of how these projects would be run and that infuriated Eisenhower because he didn’t have a problem with secrecy – keeping things secret – but he had a big problem with going outside of the chain of command.
So when he found out that the people running the projects out of S4 and Area 51, what he decided to do was that he said that he would basically use the First Army that was stationed in Denver, Colorado, to invade Area 51 if they didn’t basically report – give him an adequate report, a full report – on what was happening down there.
So Cooper, this whistleblower, was part of that team that went down to the S4 facility. And he described what he saw at the facility, and he said that he saw nine craft. Out of those nine craft, he said four were from Nazi Germany.
Two of those four were the very first Vril craft that had been developed by Maria Orsic and the Vril Society, . . .
Michael: . . . and the other two were Haunebu that had been developed by the Nazi SS for the weaponization program, and that the other five were extraterrestrial crafts.
So Cooper’s testimony is important because it gives another independent source of evidence that there were these discoveries of Nazi programs involving flying saucers and that the American military had retrieved some of these.
He wanted to kind of clear his chest on this issue.
Michael: He really wanted to have a clear conscience that he had told the truth about some really important historical events that he was associated with, and he just didn’t want to take that information to the grave.
So he’s just one of many whistleblowers who have that conscience that this is information that the public needs to know, and they’re willing to put themselves at great risk in sharing that.
David: So, Corey, we’ve got a situation here where you have Nazis in Antarctica. An invasion is attempted. It fails.
Then you have Eisenhower trying to invade Area 51. He fails. He warns about the military-industrial complex.
How do you . . . How does the Alliance see disclosure taking place? Because when people find out the kind of stuff, the exopolitic stuff, that Salla’s talking about, they’re going to be very upset.
There’s totally non-governmental things going on for 70 years.
Corey: Right. Well, the Alliance perspective is let’s just rip the Band-Aid off, start the healing.
What they’re coming up against – this is the SSP Alliance – the Earth-based Alliance of all these various countries, some of them in the BRICS Alliance, have come together and started negotiating with what we’re calling “the Cabal”.
And the Alliance, they have plenty to lose in these disclosures as well, but what they’ve decided to do is do a very protracted disclosure over decades. And that’s just not good enough.
And what’s really occurring within the Alliance – the SSP Alliance – is that they’re trying to grease the wheels so that releasing information about Antarctica before the Cabal releases their sanitized version.
This is all an attempt to make this sanitized disclosure impossible.
David: Well, Michael, you said you wanted transparency, and some of transparency is going to include people getting really mad and becoming violent.
So how do you see this transparency as a key to solving our exopolitical issues?
Michael: Well, because with the transparency, then you can have accountability. You can have congressional inquiries. You can have inspector generals of various departments.
You can have senior military officers kind of finding out what their subordinates have been doing, because a lot of this has happened outside of the chain of command – that what happened to Eisenhower wasn’t an isolated incident, that it goes on today.
So you actually have, for example, four-star admirals not knowing what a captain might be doing who’s involved in one of these programs. Similarly for the Air Force and the Army.
So that’s the key is with transparency then you have accountability. And I think that’s the process, and that’s really what I hope to be able to achieve in doing this research.
David: How do you feel the fear factor can be addressed? Like have you encountered a lot of fear from your audience as you disclose this and try to reach transparency?
That’s what we’re always warned about, right, is people are going to be so afraid that they can’t handle the truth.
Michael: Well, the fear I’ve run into is more from the whistleblowers, the witnesses, that are fearful about sharing this. What is going to be happening to them?
I remember talking very vividly with Clifford Stone and giving him an interview, doing an interview with him, about 10 years ago. And he was telling me, “Look. After I finish talking to you, they’re going to come in here and beat me up, but I don’t care. I don’t care. I can handle it.”
Because he knew that this was what was going on, that that was the price for revealing the truth.
Michael: As a researcher, or for in the part of the audience, I haven’t felt that much fear in terms of revealing this. It’s really the whistleblowers, the primary witnesses, that are really fearful for their safety and their families.
Corey: Yeah, I’d have to agree.
David: Do you think that this fear card is something that is being pulled as an excuse to maintain secrecy?
David: Or do you think that people will actually be afraid when it comes out?
Corey: They genuinely believe that there will be a complete breakdown of society. They genuinely believe this. They’ve tested it. They’ve brought in scientists and soldiers, and unbeknownst to them, they expose them to an alien or to this information and then read their response.
After . . . You know, they have personality profiles on people that work for them, so they have different personality types.
They think this one will react that way if they have a Christian background, which many in the military did.
So, no, they genuinely believe that if there was a Full Disclosure, they believe that it’s irresponsible to do because it will cause deaths, mayhem, rioting in the streets. And they’re right. It will. That’s part of the process.
But if we keep kicking the can down the road, the reaction’s just going to be worse.
David: If the beings that you’re working with are benevolent, and they want Full Disclosure, what is their rationale for how we will respond as a people to Full Disclosure, and why they’re pushing for it?
Corey: Basically, the most important thing to these higher-density beings is the development of consciousness.
Us not having transparency is holding back this consciousness renaissance that we’re primed for.
So the minute we get this information, yes, it’s going to be a bitter pill. But in the long run, it’s going to have a bigger payoff for us in the development of our joint co-creative consciousness.
David: Well, it’s a very good message, and I hope you’ve enjoyed this. I know I have. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m David Wilcock here with our insider, Corey Goode, and our special guest, Dr. Michael Salla of the Exopolitics Institute. We thank you for watching.
In another bombshell interview on the Cosmic Disclosure Gaia TV series, insiders Emery Smith and Corey Goode have revealed their direct knowledge and participation in classified programs that involved the detention, interrogation, torture and dissection of human looking extraterrestrials. Their stunning eyewitness accounts provide powerful evidence that atrocities have been occurring in classified programs against extraterrestrial visitors who are almost indistinguishable from modern humans.
The program host, David Wilcock, began by asking Goode to explain what the “Intruder Intercept and Interrogate Program” was all about.
It’s a program that is similar in part to the Men in Black. What this Intercept and Interrogate Program does is that if an intruder flies into our [solar] system, doesn’t give a friend or foe signal and is intercepted, they are taken from their ship. Or, what happens in most cases is that ETs have made it to the Earth and are here secretly blending in as one of us.
This group will go in retrieve the people that are here, we call the ETs people, the people that are here without permission, bring them up to a certain station, and their interrogation would begin to find out what was going on.
This group also acted as a police force for non-terrestrial groups that are here with permission. They helped keep them apart, and when they (ETs) had issues they acted just like police.
After describing the extraterrestrials, who were very human looking and could easily blend in to human society, Smith described encountering some of them in autopsies he was conducting for classified programs at Kirtland Air Force base and other facilities around the country. He emphasized that they had showed obvious signs of torture:
Emery: … Some of the extraterrestrials that we were working on in the lab, doing dissections and what not, some of these full bodied human extraterrestrials would come in and they would be very badly beaten where subdural hematomas, are being beaten in the back of the head. It looks like they were tortured, sometimes many broken bones.
I didn’t find out until later on that these beings were coming from a prison or a withholding cell of some sort and were being interrogated…. After hearing your [Corey’s] testimony, this is what we were receiving. Because usually they are in pretty good shape unless they were shot down or something. These were obviously, been beaten to death.
Corey: … A lot of the times the individuals that were being interrogated just died of stress and trauma … from the process. It was very disturbing. They were tagged and sent for study afterwards.
Emery: We had a few that they actually starved to death. I’m not sure what happened….
Corey: There are prisons that they have for them. Some of them, where they bring them like a conventional prison. That’s where they need to further interrogate them for a while get more information or have them to trade off or to tip us off.
After Goode and Smith’s mutual corroboration of human looking extraterrestrials being tortured at special prisons, some of which were in off planet locations, Goode went on to discuss how many extraterrestrials would end up at a cryogenic chamber on the Moon:
Fairly recently I was given an extensive viewing and tour of the Lunar Operations Command. It connected to two other commands. Lunar Operations Command they call LOC Alpha, and below ground in these lava tubes are two more called LOC Bravo and Charlie, and LOC Charlie has a research facility that is cryogenics, and one of the floors of that is a storage facility for some of these beings that they put into stasis
Emery: Right, there’s a huge one of those where I worked [Kirtland AFB], a large cryomorgue, where these are kept in the hundreds, before they go into the lab. There’s always enough bodies and there’s always enough specimens, it’s like an unlimited amount. It’s like they can’t keep with it, there’s just so many going on. Hundreds of these rooms that I’ve worked in.
In response to a question, Goode explained how newly captured extraterrestrials are treated depending on whether they are cooperative or not:
What happens in an interrogation? If they are cooperative, if they say I’m here. I have a small support team that’s cloaked outside Jupiter, for example, please contact them, verify. In many cases we would hand them back over to their support group, give them a slap on the hand and say this is the process if you come in, legally I guess you can say.
Now the ones they want to further question they would keep in prisons, out of stasis, just like a normal prison. Some of these prisons were ships … Some of the asteroids that we had mined, then we ended up going in and creating partial cryo-prisons but mostly just regular type prisons. So there’s a number of ways they keep these beings locked down.
Responding to another question from Wilcock as to whether any public figures are extraterrestrials, Goode and Smith gave the following answers:
Corey: I was told back when I was in this program they ae limited in how they interact with Society. Everything has to be preapproved. They can work in our companies and that kind of thing, but they can’t hold places [positions] of power. That’s for the ones that are coming here on an internship.
Emery: Absolutely, they are not allowed to have any influential positions. I would know. I would know right now for sure if someone of great power was an extraterrestrial, and they are not doing that to us. Maybe in the future they well, they have to step in and save the planet and save us, but right now there is nothing like that going on. And the corruption shows that, around the world. They do, they have specific rules, like Corey said, that they cannot do certain things here.
I’ve been leaning on you for a decade to do this, and you finally have. So, thank you, Emery. And thank you on behalf of all people in the world who want freedom and Full Disclosure.
Emery Smith: Oh, thanks for having me, Dave.
David: We were actually driving in the car, and we were talking about the bodies that you’d autopsied, but then you told me something in the car that I think sheds some deeper light on your experience.
And I’d like us to go into that part now, even though I think it’s farther along in your career.
But it helps to establish a fundamental truth, which is that insiders, typically, when you get a real one, they have lots of different, cool things that they’ve done.
So tell us about the Vatican.
Emery: Oh, the Vatican. Yes, yes.
So a private organization went to the DoD [US Department of Defense] and the mil [military] labs I was working at, and they needed some technicians and some scientists to go to the Vatican to look at their archives, because they know that they had some information on a craft that was taken in New Mexico.
David: So there had been a UFO . . .
Emery: That was shot down.
David: And it was a recent one.
Emery: Yes, very recent. And they took this craft . . .
David: Why would they shoot it down? Was it hostile? Did it do anything bad?
Emery: No, no, no, not at all.
Emery: No, it just got too close to some of the weapons up there . . .
David: Oh! Okay.
Emery: . . . and from what I heard, from the debriefing.
And I don’t know where it crashed. I just know where it was at.
David: Do we know anything about what this craft looked like or what kind of occupants they found inside?
Emery: No, there were no occupants that was mentioned, but the craft did look like a tetrahedron.
The best way I could put it is: make a tetrahedron out of PVC pipes.
Emery: Yep. And about eight feet in diameter.
Emery: Yeah, and it has a light in the middle of it.
David: And this was like a robotic drone?
Emery: It always stays centered. Ah, it could have been. But then again, a lot of these craft are conscious, actually.
Emery: And it can . . . Every now and then, it’ll strobe. And then it’ll fill up the spaces so you can’t see through it.
David: What will fill up spaces?
Emery: Like, you know, I just said it was an empty tetrahedron, like made out of PVC pipe?
Emery: So you could see through it, and you could see the light in the middle.
Emery: Uh-huh. Yeah.
David: What color was the orb of light? Do we know?
Emery: It was blue, but it was very small, like probably three inches in diameter.
David: And the tetrahedron itself was white?
Emery: It was . . . The outside of it was like if you made one with PVC pipe and it was pure white, and it was seamless.
Emery: And if you got too close to it, it would actually fill in a space of . . . that you could not see into it.
David: But I still don’t know if I understand.
Emery: Okay. So if you have an empty tetrahedron that you can see through, and we’re only talking about the outside lines, okay?
Emery: So you could see through it, and you can see this ball.
Emery: And if you get too close to it, it’ll actually go solid.
David: This tetrahedron goes solid?
David: And then what does it look like?
Emery: It’s just white. It’s just white.
Emery: Yeah, pure white.
David: So this appears to have been some kind of drone. There were no occupants in it.
Emery: There were no occupants, but it doesn’t mean . . . because that white light could be some sort of consciousness.
David: Or a being. Right.
Emery: Or a being.
Emery: So you cannot . . . Any time you see light, you have to think being first and then go from there.
David: So you’re saying, if I’m getting this right, that the Department of Defense had this craft, or whatever it is, get shot down in New Mexico.
And they’re drawing a blank as to what it is or where it came from.
Emery: Yeah. I don’t know where it was shot down. I just know it was stored in New Mexico, . . .
Emery: . . . because that’s where I was at. But it was a first of its kind, so they had . . .
David: They have a very robust idea of what normally would crash, correct?
David: They have an extensive catalog?
Emery: They have an extensive collection, I will say.
David: Yeah, ha, ha. Okay. But this skewed the charts in some way.
Emery: Yes. Yes, it gave off different, I guess, frequencies or something that they were amazed about. And it didn’t show any aggression or whatever after it was shot down.
And it was still obviously operational.
David: And you say that this craft was in the category where it appears that the material itself is a life form somehow?
Emery: Well, I don’t know about THAT, because I wasn’t in on that part. All I know is that ball on the inside had energy.
Emery: So energy and light always could mean life.
David: Okay. So what did they decide to do about this craft? If they don’t know what it is, they don’t know where it came from, what kind of resources can they draw upon at that point?
Emery: Well, what they do is they form a team, and they do a big background check around the world, because there’s other catalogs in other countries and other religions.
And, of course, the Vatican has always been a huge database. It has a huge archive of many things: artifacts and things they have found from space and have collected over many, many, many, many years.
And they have an underground base under the Vatican.
So two scientists and myself were deployed to that area to the Vatican to an undisclosed location in the Vatican. And we took an elevator down about seven or eight floors.
Emery: And that’s kind of how it all started. We got permission from the Vatican. They set it all up.
We’re just contractors going there to collect any type of information that would be similar to this device.
David: So is it common that there is interagency cooperation?
Emery: Usually for exchange for favors.
David: Now, you are an Air Force veteran, right?
David: And we’ve often heard from various insiders that there’s like an Air Force wing of the military-industrial complex and a Navy wing. They kind of broke off after World War II . . .
Emery: That’s true.
David: And they’ve grown into these totally separate industrial complexes.
Emery: That’s very true.
David: So would you estimate that most of your experience is in the Air Force side, because that’s where you started, or . . .
Emery: Yeah, for this particular thing, I would say so, but they still work together when they have questions.
Emery: They’re not banging heads.
Emery: But they do like to keep their secrets together, because the more they can show the government, the more money they can get at the end of the year.
So if I have some really cool things that I’ve collected this year for this corporation, this mil lab or Air Force mil lab, then we get more money.
And so they don’t always share the secrets of what they’re doing, but they do always work together to figure out things that they can’t figure out. They work always . . . They’re very compliant with that.
David: So I think the military budget, even on-the-books military budget, recently was like in the neighborhood of $864 billion – the ridiculous $700 toilet seats and that kind of thing, and the little nuts that cost $65.
So the idea being that the military budget has a lot of room in it for off-balance sheet expenditures.
Emery: That is correct. You know, you could get a toilet seat for $700. And they WILL go to Home Depot and buy it for $2.00. And they’ll buy 2,000 of them. And then the rest of that money goes where?
David: Well, apparently, you guys are fighting over it is what you’re telling me now. It’s like a healthy . . .
Emery: It is a competition.
Emery: But from my experience, I mean, and I’m not one of the executives there by far or their financial advisers, but just from what I heard from some of the higher upper-class people in there that they usually always get about the same.
Emery: So it’s not this . . . They’re not beating them by billions of dollars.
Emery: And it is actually not billions, it’s trillions.
David: Right, when you encounter all the other ways that money is being generated.
David: So if we have this craft that comes down, and they don’t know what it is, just in a very general sense, if you can speculate – and I understand you might not have definitive knowledge, but I’d like your speculations. It’s going to be probably better than mine.
How often do you think this kind of stuff is happening?
David: DAILY? There’s crashes of UFOs daily?
Emery: Well, they may be . . .
David: I would not have expected that.
Emery: They’re actually identified, because when we say “UFO”, we’re thinking . . .
Emery: Vehicles. But there ARE a lot of vehicles that are recovered from space, or shot down from space, and then recovered and brought back too. And they’re not always, of course, inhabited at all.
Emery: And a lot of these things too, actually, it’s like the Trojan horse. They want us to bring this in here, so we can learn about good technology and can reverse engineer something.
David: A positive Trojan horse.
Emery: Right – a very positive Trojan horse.
David: Not like an AI infestation . . .
David: . . . that swarm over the planet.
Emery: No, not at all.
Emery: So, and that’s what . . . It’s so exciting that the scientists do realize that. And a lot of the corporations also learn about that.
The sad part is once they figure it out, it’s forever for it to come to the public for us to use to help make our lives better.
David: All right. I’m still a little reeling here, and probably they are too. Every day? EVERY DAY?
Emery: Yes, every day.
David: Wouldn’t there be people filming this with their phones? Wouldn’t there be incident reports and . . .
Emery: Well, I think there are a lot of abnormal things people are seeing on YouTube and all these things.
Emery: And probably 90% of them are fake disinformation . . .
Emery: . . . or fake alien reproduction vehicles that they’ll fly by just to make people fearful or whatnot. So there IS this happening.
But you have to understand, this doesn’t happen usually over a major city. These things are usually . . . now are being shot down in XO atmospheric areas and brought back and then brought back very carefully to the surface here.
Emery: So it’s not always like you shoot a jet down, and you see it streaming down, and kaboom.
Emery: You know, that’s very rare.
David: So in a sense then, if we could liken this in some ways to a war, they are going to be very meticulous about not leaving any vehicles on the battlefield.
Emery: Oh, you will not see any vehicles on the battlefield.
David: So whatever happens, they bring it in . . .
Emery: It’s intentional
David: They take a look.
David: Right. So that would then mean, I would guess, that there probably is some sort of diplomatic relationship with various ET groups. And then when people try to get in and breach that agreement or that contract, if you will, that’s when problems arise? Would you say that’s true?
Emery: Yeah, just like with Eisenhower. I mean, there were some nice, good things happening with the meetings. There have been many presidential meetings with certain ET civilizations.
And I think what happens is just because the president shakes hands with an extraterrestrial doesn’t always mean that the president’s military-industrial complex is also part of that contract.
Emery: And that’s the problem. So we did . . . Hm . . . Our contract is void and null now because of this problem.
David: So if you could again speculate – and I understand that this is purely off the top of your head . . .
David: . . . or maybe you have some briefings, I don’t know. If you’re saying that one a day on the average is being recovered, that would be 365 per year, how many of those per year might you think would be unconventional or otherwise requiring a deeper degree of research for them to understand?
Emery: Well, let me get one thing. When I say collecting one a day, it could be a piece of equipment.
Emery: Okay? It could be an archaeological find, or it could be something from space that they have collected. Or it could be something we shot down.
Emery: So those are the . . . When I say that, that’s how much data we are getting in on these devices EVERY day.
Emery: So that’s why it’s growing so much, and so much money is going into these projects, because it’s an unlimited amount of . . . We can’t keep up with what’s happening.
So they’re starting to store these things. And then certain things, certain organizations, are buying massive amounts of satellites to track these things with neutrino light detectors and forming their own ways of getting this technology as well, instead of just the military-industrial complex.
David: I want to run something by you, and it annoys me, okay? So this is a question that I ask out of some degree of anger.
But it very much upset me when I was talking to my insider, Jacob, where he was describing the redundancy of technology. That in some cases they found so much of a certain type of technology, like for example, ruins on the planet Mars, just in case we ever get there in the future, they’ve actually bulldozed over ancient sites and buried them, because they feel like they know what’s there, and they don’t want it to be so easily discovered.
Have you ever heard of things like that going on?
Emery: I’ve heard of things like that going on here on Earth.
Emery: And I wouldn’t pass it by anyone else that that’s happening on Mars as well.
David: So do you think then that the technology that they have in these secret programs is so immensely vast that in a lot of cases they can bring things in, and it’s not really going to advance our knowledge that much?
Emery: It will always, usually 90% of the time, advance our knowledge, yes.
David: Oh, really?
Emery: I mean, if they bring any type of equipment, or bodies, or craft, or whatever it is, we are still learning. We are the medieval people here trying to get a hammer and a wheel made.
So all these little bits and pieces all still fit together sometimes. So you might get a piece today and a piece two years from now, and like, “Ah, here’s the two pieces. Great!”
David: Oh, wow.
Emery: And that’s why it’s important now that a lot of the military-industrial complexes and the military, and the private organizations, are now teaming up for things they can’t figure out, because they’ll work on a project . . . they used to work on projects for maybe five or 10 years without asking for help.
Emery: It’s kind of like the husband and wife driving around, and the husband is not going to ask and stop for directions whatsoever, because we’re too stubborn.
Emery: So that’s kind of where it’s at now, but it’s different. So they’re sharing information. They’re sharing data but very limitedly and very carefully.
David: It does seem to me as if the intellectual capital, the, if you will, financial and informational value of having more skilled employees working on this stuff, it would appear that once we have disclosure, and we can get a lot more, potentially tens or hundreds of millions of people more, working on all this stuff, that we will quantum leap even beyond wherever they are now so much. That’s what I would think.
Emery: Yes. Yeah, there’s still rules, and laws, and regulations universally, but as far as technologically, we will overnight transform the world within like a week.
Emery: I mean, you’ll be able to 3D terraform houses in any place 50′ above the Amazon so you’re not destroying the trees.
Emery: It’ll be cities will be put up everywhere. I know even our government has contacted me to orchestrate and architect a special city here that’s self-sustainable, that’s off-grid, has its own communications, its own electric, and all this stuff, because they’re preparing to do this model everywhere.
Emery: And our government is in full support of that, especially POTUS.
David: This doesn’t make me think that we have any overpopulation problem at all. If you have people who can become skilled workers, we want more of them. We should be colonizing. We should be going out and developing inside moons, developing inside other planets and on the surface of these planets.
We don’t need to get rid of people. We need more people.
Emery: Right. We will need more people, because once the intelligence and all of this information comes out, then everyone’s going to be really smart really quick. So then people will be training immediately on this stuff.
And the secret science behind how to do all of that will be revealed.
Emery: And as soon as that’s revealed, you’re right, it’ll be like taking a flight from LA to New York, but to the Moon or Mars, to help colonize.
Emery: And it’ll be that safe and that easy.
David: So I want to make sure we get into the Vatican.
David: You go down this elevator.
David: You’re on an invited mission to try to figure out what the heck this tetrahedron thing is.
David: So what do you see? Let’s . . . First, just tell me what the elevator looked like. Anything unusual about the elevator?
Emery: No, it was a very large elevator, larger than normal. You could put a car in it.
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: Normal elevator. Very clean.
David: Okay. Round, square?
Emery: No, square. Rectangular.
David: Okay. So the doors open, and what do you see?
Emery: We walk in. The floor was white. Walls were white. It was like a black rail.
David: A black rail where?
Emery: There was just like a black rail around the inside of the . . . like a rail you could hold on to.
David: Okay. On the walls?
Emery: Yeah, on the walls, about 3′ up.
Emery: There’s no windows, no glass, nothing like that. It was just a normal elevator. It was very silent. I didn’t know it actually started moving.
Emery: It was like the most quietest elevator I’ve ever . . . You know, you usually feel the little bounce.
David: Right. Right.
Emery: There was no bounce. It was like we were sitting actually just talking, whenever we got . . .and when the doors shut, I was like, “Is someone going to push a button or something?”
David: Ha, ha.
Emery: I get antsy, you know?
Emery: And then I was like . . . And all of a sudden, like in a minute, the doors open. I was like, “What? Vatican elevator’s broken?”
David: Are you wearing some kind of uniform or civvies [civilian clothes] at this point, or what?
Emery: I’m wearing civvies, yeah.
Emery: Yeah, civvies. Nothing special.
David: So you go in after the doors open, . . .
David: . . . and what do you see?
Emery: The first thing I see is a giant auditorium-type area. It reminded me . . . and I don’t like referring to movies, but in Harry Potter’s “Hogwarts”, I think it was like the vault system with all the little trolls, where you look up and you see all these square vaults, but it was very rustic.
This was spotless clean. It was beautiful glass everywhere. It was just like . . .
David: Oh, my God!
Emery: . . . these huge cubicles of glass. And some were different sizes. So it was really neat.
And through these cubicles of glass were all these metal strips and lines.
And then there were these platforms about 6′ in diameter that could travel to any of these things.
And there was no jerky movements to them. They just kind of flowed and then could turn, and . . .
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: . . . but only on angles. They didn’t do circles, or anything, to whatever . . . And there were many people on these things doing things with the vaults and looking through them and doing things.
Emery: But I didn’t get to go . . . I was only on the first floor.
David: So this is kind of different. This is why I wanted you to say this, and why I wanted to do this right now is: the Vatican Library, you think it’s like stacks of books and bookshelves.
Emery: Well . . .
David: This is very different.
Emery: Well, we’re getting to that, . . .
Emery: . . . because we had to walk through this area to get to that old . . . that other stuff you see in the movies of books everywhere and things like that.
David: But what you’re describing right now is like straight out of a sci-fi movie. It must have been just breathtakingly incredible.
Emery: It was the most amazing thing . . . one of the most amazing things I’ve ever seen, . . .
Emery: . . . because they’re . . . the glass too, I was like, “This is . . .” They keep all this cool equipment behind this glass. I’m thinking, “That’s ridiculous!”
Glass can break, and earthquakes, and, you know, whatever . . . explosions.
And he’s like, “Oh, no. That’s not glass. That’s metal. That’s a type of metal.”
The head director . . .
David: Wow! Like transparent aluminum, maybe, something like that?
Emery: Yeah, it was like a . . . Well, he said it’s a . . . he did . . . He just said it was a metal. It’s not glass.
Emery: That’s all he said. He didn’t give specifics, and I wasn’t there to learn about the glass, even though I wanted to know.
David: So what was behind the glass? Let’s just be clear about that.
Emery: Many different things. I mean, there was equipment back there that I’ve never seen before.
Some things looked like weapons. Some things looked like scrolls but on big plaques of like kind of a . . . It looked like Plexiglas, like stacks of them.
And they all had their own thing. There’s no labeling on the outside of these doors, so you know.
Emery: None. No numbers; no symbols. It’s just a gigantic, . . . like six floors of these cubicles.
Emery: Unreal. I mean . . . And like I said, cubicles there too were as small as a foot (12”). And some were as big as 20′.
David: Was the thing like a hexagon or like a square?
Emery: It was all square.
David: Okay. Wow!
Emery: Yeah, it was all square.
Emery: So as we were walking, I did notice some equipment that looked like giant . . . those Dorjes, those ancient brass things that they used to hold out.
David: Yeah. In Tibet.
Emery: Yeah, in Tibet.
I noticed they were in the shape of that, but they were solid, and they were luminous.
Emery: And there were no electrical cords going to it at all.
David: I’ve always thought that the double Dorje thing is some kind of technology that they just emulated with these little sculptures they have.
Emery: Right, but this was like a really cool, artistic, modern, ultramodern version.
Emery: It was really neat with really cool edges on it.
Emery: And it was glowing. And there was no electrical cords in there or sockets. It was just there.
Emery: So . . . And you have to understand I wasn’t there for that. So I can’t stop . . . This is not like walking through the Louvre, of course.
Emery: We’re on a mission, and you just keep your mouth shut, and we go where we’re going to go, which we wanted to go to the archives to find out about this, this device, or this ship, this craft with this light.
David: So what happened after you got through this majestic crystalline auditorium?
Emery: After we got through that, there was another double doors at the bottom, and they just slid open.
David: Like glass doors, or . . .
Emery: Hm-hmm, glass doors. They just slid open – just like separated.
David: Any noise?
Emery: No noise at all.
Emery: It was very quiet in there. No echoing, either, which was weird for me, because I thought even like a voice would echo in this room.
David: And when you saw the people on those moving platforms, what were they wearing?
Emery: They were all in white, like those . . . you know the surgical suits that are made out of that fabric?
Emery: And they had also on their heads the normal white caps.
Emery: They’re in a clean suit.
David: Clean room.
Emery: Right, but it wasn’t surgically clean. I think whatever they were doing, they were all holding something and looking at something and looking into the glass.
Emery: So I don’t know what they were doing at all. I have no clue.
David: And do you think that there was anything beyond the first layer of these cages? Like was there deeper layers beyond one layer, or was it just all on the surface?
Emery: On the first floor where I was, I could not see . . . I mean, it just ended. Some were 10′ deep. Some were 30′ deep. You know, like I said, some were small, like 12” cubes, and some were enormous.
We walked by one that was at least 20′ tall (almost 7 meters).
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: Yeah, it is amazing.
David: So what happens after these quiet doors open up? Where do you go next?
Emery: So now we’re in the main library, I believe.
Emery: And there’s these giant, cylindrical, gas-controlled tubes that are probably anywhere from 6′ to 3′ in diameter. And there’s hundreds of them that go up very, very high.
David: You said 6′ to 3′ in diameter?
Emery: Yeah, 6′ to 3′ in diameter, glass, or whatever – metal, glass, or whatever they call it.
Emery: And there’s windows on them that open up, and it goes up and down. And they have a thing that they hold, and they can scroll up, and then all those books go down. Like they’re all on shelves, all these books, okay, and all these tablets. And they go up and down.
David: Oh, wow!
Emery: Yeah, up and down inside these cylindrical columns, which I heard were vacuumed and gas-controlled to keep them from getting old.
Emery: And so they took us to this place and went to this one column. And he just brought it right up – all these different books about this particular craft. And we were able to get all that information.
David: What did the books look like, and how old were they?
Emery: Well, it looks like these books were actually translated from another book that someone wrote, because they said a lot of this was all translated. So it was all perfectly written and typed, like very new . . . just like today, like nothing fancy at all, to be honest.
Emery: It was in binders and folders and whatnot. So it wasn’t fancy or futuristic.
Emery: It was just a huge database. But in many columns I looked at were very old things, like very leather-looking books.
And I noticed one had blocks in it. And I thought they were blocks, but they were tablets with information on them.
David: Did any of the leather books have a color cover, like a bright color?
Emery: Yes, I did see one that had many . . . like one of the columns had many colors in it, . . .
Emery: . . . and many sizes too. Like I saw one shelf had 6′ books.
Emery: Yeah, it looked like books. I mean, it was far away, maybe 30′ away.
David: Well, when Peterson described his trip into the Vatican, he said that a lot of the books were leather-bound and that they had buckles on them . . .
David: . . . and that they were color . . . like bright colors, like a bright red, bright green.
Emery: Yes. Yes, yes, I saw that, and it was very thick.
Emery: The leather was very thick, and they did have metal on them. I’ve seen a lot of that just walking to where we had to go.
David: So did you guys get to take the book and bring it to a reading area, like a table or something?
Emery: Yeah, no, he pulled it out. And there’s tables everywhere that are off the ground on pedestals, and he just laid it out on this 6′ glass pedestal, or whatever it was, glass or not glass. I’ll just call it metal glass.
And he opened it up, and he is the one who shows us. We can’t touch it, actually.
Emery: So he shows like, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And there was also a translator that was there, because the English was not that good.
And there were two other of their technicians there that upkeep, like library bookkeepers. So that was really interesting, librarians.
So the next thing that happened is they opened it up, and he just started scrolling through. And we were looking at it. I was looking at it with the two scientists.
And this is what we wanted. It was like exactly what . . .
So then we asked him if he had anything else that was similar to this. And he did.
Emery: So then he took us to another area and showed us another book. And they actually had sketches of the same exact thing . . .
Emery: . . . that was ancient.
Emery: I mean, I don’t know how old it was, but it was pretty old because it wasn’t written on paper – this giant sketch scroll that someone, some monk, had drawn.
And it had a lot of physics on it, and it was all in a different language.
So we were able to get a picture of that downloaded, and we got a copy of that book, and we escorted that back to home.
David: Did you get a sense from just what was spoken out loud or translated as to what this thing was or where it had come from, anything that specific?
Emery: No, because once I got back, I was pulled off of that project. All I can tell you is it was, I think, I believe, an intentional device that was put here to help. And then that was it. I’ve never had a part of that project again.
David: When it was in this foreign language, and you said it wasn’t really like a book, what was it on? What did it look like?
Emery: It looked like wax paper.
Emery: Yeah, and it looked like it was black wax paper. I think you could maybe . . . as you wrote on it, whatever that stuff was would peel off so you could write on it.
Emery: It looked like something like that.
Emery: But I wasn’t able to touch it at all, but it was the exact same device – I mean the exact same craft, but it was a lot larger in form. It was probably 10 times larger from this person’s . . . Whoever sketched this, it was 10 times larger than the one we had.
David: So how do you think that idea that we discussed about people starting to be trained as disclosure happens? How do you see that unfolding?
Emery: Well, the first thing that’s going to happen is everyone’s going to want to know where to go.
“I want to be this person. I want to help. I want to know how to grow something overnight – a tomato. You know, I want to know about anti-gravity – how I can make my car float.”
So people are going to want to know right away, and it’s going to be up to the government what kind of information is going to be released to the universities and public, because they’re going to do it correctly.
They are going to do it through probably universities first.
Emery: And hopefully, a lot of the other scientists that are out there will pick up on what they’re doing. And then they’ll be able to live stream it and have a source way to get it to the public, where other people can just start thinking about it, because you have to free-source everything in order to stimulate the entire planet into wanting to do something instead of holding it in universities and saying, “Well, you have to learn this first, and dah, dah, dah, dah.”
Emery: But I think the education part will also be a lot easier in learning this stuff, because with the advent of all these new technologies coming out, also comes out technologies how to learn faster, . . .
Emery: . . . how to take care of yourself better. You know, a lot of these things are daily things that we do are going to be much simpler.
David: Very cool.
David: All right. Well, thank you, Emery, for being here. And I want to thank you for watching. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock, with our special guest, Emery Smith.
And where we last left off, he had had a very interesting meeting with the Super Federation, and I guess you thought you were going to go home.
Corey Goode: I did, yes.
David: But that isn’t what happened, was it?
Corey: No. No. Right after this meeting, I ended up in the foyer of the Super Federation base, and it was at that point where I was picked up by a Blue Sphere I thought to bring me home.
But instead, I ended up in that huge domed area of the Anshar temple complex where I had first appeared well over a year ago when I first met the Anshar.
I appeared there. There was . . . It was bustling.
There were people in line to go into this one opening that went in towards the cleansing ceremony, and I immediately saw Aree and her sister walking towards me with huge grins on their faces.
David: Corey, you are now calling her Aree, and you’ve also mentioned her sister, so could you please clarify why the name change, and who is her sister exactly?
Corey: Aree . . . She’s had me call her that from the beginning. I was continuing to use her full name: Ka’Aree.
Ka . . . She comes from the House of Ka, apparently, her and her sister.
I was doing that to be able to tell who was genuine in saying that they had been in communication with the Anshar.
David: It is interesting to point out that in The Law of One Material, they specifically mention the Ka as a name for the spiritual body that we all have.
David: So that is a direct Law of One reference, interestingly enough.
David: So who is her sister exactly? Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Corey: Yeah. Her sister is very similar to her in just about every way. I’m keeping her name to myself for now.
She’s doing a lot of outreach to people right now on the surface.
David: What specific types of outreach would you say that her sister is doing?
Corey: Well, she’s one of the people that are sitting in these egg-shaped chairs, that I’ve described before, that are networked together between their mass consciousness and ours. They reach out to us in dreams.
Later on, I get to learn how to use these chairs a little bit more on my visit, and it’s also somewhat of an entertainment for them. But they watch us, observe us, and give us guidance remotely from these chairs.
David: Normally, if people have things appearing in their mind, we would call that schizophrenia or something along these lines.
So what is the dividing line between this guidance and a profound mental illness of somebody “hearing voices”?
Corey: Usually they’re not speaking to people in voices. What they’re doing is . . . I’ll just go ahead and describe:
When you’re in one of these chairs, you can use it to go to any gathering, or place where there’s just one person, and be in the room with them.
You are basically above their shoulders and head looking down on the scene, almost like what people would picture angels doing.
They sit there, and they observe conversations or observe a person working, and if they think, “Oh, I could guide them in this way. This would make this much difference in the timeline and help here and here,” then they do this kind of a “bling” [a sound], where they give the person a download, and it’s like an information package that’s compressed.
And then it decompresses, and people just get all of this flood of ideas, and we call them “downloads”.
David: And it appears as original thought without the people realizing where it came from.
David: Okay. So you meet Aree and her sister. Could you tell us what happens then? You said they’re really smiling. Did you know why?
Corey: Oh, yeah. It was because of the meeting I had just been at. They were very excited about it.
David: So what happens next at this point?
Corey: They immediately guide me to the corridor that leads out to that huge cavern where the Anshar city used to be.
If you remember, the city was somehow removed and put into this temporal anomaly.
Corey: There was one of the Anshar bus craft waiting for us.
People were boarding it, and Anshar were boarding it, and there were already Anshar on board sitting.
David: About how many were in the craft?
Corey: More than 15.
David: Okay. So it’s pretty crowded.
Corey: We take off, and then we head right into that temporal anomaly.
David: What does it look like as you go into it? What do you see?
Corey: Well, I didn’t get to see anything . . .
Corey: . . . because it’s like someone turned on this huge magnet next to my head, and my consciousness does this . . . I mean, I kind of pass out and fall to the side, and then I come right to immediately once we get through it.
It’s like just some sort of barrier that affects my consciousness.
Corey: You can see all the cities laid out all along the sphere. The tops of the buildings are facing towards the center point in the sphere.
David: What do you mean by “the sphere”? Is it a sphere of energy? Is it a cavern?
Corey: It’s a spherical energetic bubble.
David: Oh. Okay.
Corey: And along the inside of the sphere is where all of the cities have been joined together.
Corey: So we fly down into the Anshar city area, and we approach some of the huge domed buildings.
And we land on top of one of them on this . . . it’s almost like a helicopter pad, but it’s larger.
It’s on top of the building kind of on stilts.
So we disembark from the craft, and we all start heading to this area on the roof that was an area that you walk in, and then there were two oval holes in the floor that are sunk into the wall that go down like tubes.
And each of them began to walk up and stand in those tubes and go down.
As we got closer and closer, it was my turn. I thought it was going to be like a slide you jump in and phew, down you go, but I stood, and there was like a barrier that moved a little bit when I stood on it, and when I looked down, I saw the Anshar that went before me looking up at me.
I saw this part of their face and forehead [Corey motions to the left side of his head] as they kind of disappeared. And then I went down.
It was just like riding an elevator.
David: Did you get any fear of heights or anything just to walk into a hole?
Corey: Yeah. I had an uneasy feeling. Like I said, I thought I was going to . . . I had the feeling . . . My brain was telling me that I was just going to drop.
David: So what happens as you go through this tube, and where do you end up at the bottom?
Corey: Well, we end up at the bottom, and we walk out, and there’s this huge area inside the dome where Anshar are walking around all over the place.
They are wearing all kinds of colorful clothing that is obviously woven. It wasn’t this high-tech type of clothing that I had seen prior.
Anyway, we’re walking through this group of people, all bustling about, going on their way to do whatever they were doing, and we see some of the people walking out, and some of the people coming in, but it’s through like a wall. It looked like people were just walking through the wall.
Corey: We walked through, and there was a little sticking, kind of a stickiness energy, as we walked through, but we walked through, and we were in a bustling area of people walking around, people flying around like Superman.
Corey: The elders, the people who were much older, will fly around using the technology that they have to fly around like Superman. But everyone else was walking around like we would at a mall.
David: Well, now is it a technology, or is it like telekinesis? Is it some kind of psychic ability they have to do that?
Corey: It’s a technology.
David: Really? Well, it must have been impressive to see, I would imagine.
Corey: Yeah, it was, because you would see people coming down and lifting . . . just, I mean, like Superman.
David: Why do you think only the elders were able to do this or allowed to do this or something?
Corey: The elders . . . they looked different than the rest of the Anshar.
I was told that it’s not uncommon for fourth density and other types of beings as they age, they get taller and skinnier, and this, apparently, is what happens with them. They grow another two or so feet, and they get very, very thin, very frail, and their skin gets even whiter. And they had wrinkles all around their lips and around their eyes.
David: I want to point out something so bizarre, which is: I had this call from Pete Peterson where he starts telling me about these Nordics that he had encountered when he was in there, and he said exactly the same thing, that they go through three growth phases.
The third growth phase causes them to get taller and skinnier.
Corey: Another thing that I saw that they wore is they wear an eye protection. Their eyes get very sensitive.
We walked to a building that was a building for Aree’s family group and the offshoots of her family group. They were all together in this big building.
I was brought to the area where her family group lives, and I was shown a room, a small room, that had been set up for me to sleep in. I was going to be there for a while.
Corey: She brought me to the bed that was created for me, because they don’t use beds.
David: Well, hold on a minute. They don’t use beds why? What do they do instead of sleeping?
Corey: They do some type of cycle that lasts like 45 or 50 minutes every several days. They don’t have a sleep cycle.
David: They don’t need to lie down when they do that cycle?
Corey: No. They sit in the chairs.
Corey: So on this bed, the first thing I see are three shirts, three pairs of khaki slacks, and a bunch of toiletries, just strewn out.
The clothes look like they were from like JCPenney’s in the 1980s. It was blue, just regular, blue polo shirts and khaki pants, no belt, and they had underwear, deodorant.
So I saw all of this, and I realized they were going to have me there a little bit longer than they ever had before.
Corey: And sure enough, I ended up doing two sleep cycles when I was there, two full sleep cycles, so I was there probably about three days.
David: Was this the size of like a small dormitory room, or did it have some space to it? What was your room like?
Corey: No, it was very small. It was probably eight feet by six feet.
David: Oh, wow!
Corey: But, I mean, I wouldn’t spend much time in there.
David: Obviously, you’re going to need to eat something. So what was the food that they provided?
Corey: The food was all vegetarian, of course, a lot of raw vegetables, and a lot of interesting sweet cakes that they made out of vegetables that were really good.
David: Would you say it’s the best stuff you’ve ever tasted in your life, or was it just okay?
Corey: To be honest, it was kind of bland.
Corey: Yeah. It was just . . . I mean, there was no seasoning. They were just eating raw vegetables, and they didn’t eat that much, and they didn’t eat that often.
David: Did you get the sense that you were being fed the same things that they were . . .
David: . . . or did they have to modify it?
Corey: No. I was sitting, eating along with them.
David: Where you were sitting, did it look at all familiar to what we would have as like a cafeteria table or something?
Corey: Yeah. It was a cafeteria.
Corey: Right. They had a commons area, a large commons area. The roof was higher. It was about two stories high. And then they had private areas where they had private . . . areas where they could have their own . . . kind of like a room, but they didn’t really spend much time in them.
David: So if you need to eat more often than they do, would they bring you to this cafeteria and then not have food, or would they always eat with you?
Corey: I only ate three times.
Corey: Yeah. But, I mean, you’ve seen how I am anyway since I went over to being a vegetarian. I ate one, maybe two very small meals a day, very small.
The food was very high in nutrients, obviously, because, I mean, you immediately felt a pickup from the food . . .
Corey: . . . when you ate it.
David: So it was energized somehow?
Corey: Yeah, but it tasted like normal vegetables.
David: At some point, you’re going to have to be asking yourself: “They bring me into this bedroom. They give me these weird, old clothes.”
I would imagine you would be turning to them and saying, “Guys, I thought I was going home. What’s going on here? Why do I have to be here long enough to sleep over? What’s your agenda here? What’s happening to me?”
Corey: Well, Aree told me that I was being given a gift basically, that I was being allowed to spend time with her family group, and also go through the preparations to go with them to this base outside of Saturn to meet this “Council at Saturn”, as they call them.
So, you know, I got to spend a lot of time with these people.
I was told not to touch anyone – to keep my distance.
David: Which is exactly what Pete Peterson said too, interestingly.
Corey: Right. When I first arrived, they stood a good distance away and weren’t being that friendly, but they saw Aree . . . When I first got there, she took me by the arm, touched me and took me by the arm and guided me to show me where I was going to be staying.
After that, it had an impact on the people. They started getting closer and closer, started asking me questions, talking to me. They were very curious about the surface world.
David: Let me just ask you one thing that might clear some misunderstandings up for our audience.
People might be inclined to think that these beings are interdimensional, and that, therefore, they would be like ghosts to us, and, therefore, if you were going to go there, that you would have to be like a ghost.
Corey: These are not higher dimensional or different dimensional beings. These are us from the future.
They traveled back into time to preserve their timeline. They are flesh and blood just like us.
So after the first day, the children and the other people started coming closer and closer in, spending time with me, close enough to where I could touch them, but I didn’t.
At some point, there was kind of a parting of the waves, people were getting out of the way, and I look up across the room, and there’s Gonzales. He looks very haggard. He looks beat.
He sees me, and he starts to walk across, and I meet him, and he just drops into one of the chairs.
I go over to one of the chairs, and I sit in it, and I mentally guide it over, the way they showed me how to do, over next to him, and asked him, what are you doing here? What’s going on?
David: So you can steer the chair around just with your thought and move it to different areas?
David: So you zip over to Gonzales’s chair, and then what happens?
Corey: If you remember, Gonzales got to spend a lot of time with the Anshar. He was actually staying with them in their city at one point.
Corey: And as a part of the work he was doing while there, he was working with this race of giants, a red-haired, six-fingered race of giants.
He was starting to make some headway with them when he was basically kicked out by the Anshar for his behavior.
David: Now, we have enormous numbers of records of giant skeletons that have been found all over the Earth. Are those red-haired giants related to them somehow?
Corey: They are.
David: In what way?
Corey: Well, let me just go ahead and tell you what occurred.
Corey: Gonzales said that for the better part of a year, if not more, he’s been working with the red-haired giants. He’d been trying to get them to accept some of the healing technologies from the Mayans.
However, they have been refusing any type of help from the Mayans, thinking it was some sort of leverage for them to say that . . .
[The] Secret Space Program Alliance and the Mayans have, at times, rescued red-haired giants from various places on the planet and brought them to this sanctuary.
“We don’t want the healing until you can get our royal family, basically, that’s being held by the Cabal in a base.”
David: Okay. Well, there’s kind of a lot of questions that that raises.
Corey: Yeah, and it doesn’t make sense for them to make a demand like that.
David: I was under the impression that the red-haired giants died off completely. There’s none of them on the surface of the Earth now.
Corey: There are none of them on the surface of the Earth now.
David: So then why are we talking about them as if they still exist? That’s the part I . . .
Corey: Because they do.
Corey: At one point, they controlled a huge area of North and Central America. These beings are genetic creations of this Pre-Adamite race, . . .
Corey: . . . you know, that was in Antarctica. They created these giants to manage humans, their slave population of humans.
After the cataclysm occurred, and the Pre-Adamites were basically wiped off the face of the Earth, or so we thought, these giants had to fend for themselves.
And during this time, they were eating humans. They were causing a lot of problems.
After a number of years after this cataclysm, when humans started to organize again, they started going out in hunting parties and killing off these giants.
So the giants had to go underground, and they went deep, deep into the bowels of the Earth into some of these ecosystems deep in the ground that we’ve told you about, or that we’ve talked about on “Cosmic Disclosure” before.
David: So what we’re then seeing is: We have American Indian tribes going after the red-haired giants. We have people in Europe and Asia going after the giants, and they retreated to underground areas?
Corey: Caverns with ecosystems.
Corey: Their health suffered because they didn’t have the nutrients they needed, the sunlight. They were eating what was down there, and it was affecting their health not in a positive way. They were getting thinner and thinner.
They hunted one species, a humanoid species, that lived in the Inner Earth, into extinction, because they became very fond of the taste of them, and they wreaked havoc on a few other of the beings that were down . . .
David: Would they look just like one of us only larger, or is there something unusual about the shape of their face or their head?
Corey: Yeah, they have big foreheads, big thick jaws, double rows of teeth. They would not fit in and look like just a large human.
David: So even if you shrank them down to our size, they’d look very, very different?
David: Interesting. So they live in these underground areas. They’re essentially wiping out other underground populations of humanoids you’re saying.
Corey: Right. Well, what finally ended up happening in their history is that some of their royal caste helped them start to get it together, as they say.
They were a mess when they were refugees under the ground. So they found areas that would sustain a small population. They controlled their number, their population numbers, and some of the royal caste and religious caste of these giants went to various stasis chambers and put themselves into stasis.
David: I’m just curious now about when we look at the records of their civilization in the Americas, we find the so-called “mound builders”, and there’s always these dirt mounds that are kind of pyramid-shaped.
People would dig into the mounds, and they’d find giant skeletons inside. So the giant skeletons and the mounds are always one and the same thing.
So it seems that these people had some desire to keep building pyramids. Why do you think that is?
Corey: Well, the giants were the ones that were supposedly directing humans, or controlling humans, when they were building out the infrastructure and cities for the Pre-Adamites.
So maybe, I’m speculating, these giants were, I guess, the foreman on these jobs, and they were making sure that the human slaves were completing the jobs.
David: The mounds that people dug into, we never really saw any type of written books or . . . How literate do you think they were? Did the flood affect them so badly that they . . .
David: . . . lost a lot of their language?
Corey: They lost everything.
Corey: Right. They were in the same boat as the humans. Everything was lost. So . . .
David: Then how would they know about these caverns under the ground if they’re essentially now illiterate?
Corey: Well, they were forced down in. They were forced to go in and explore and find these areas.
Corey: What finally happened is they got their people together, the giants, and they said, “Okay, we have these little pockets of areas that will sustain this number. So maintain these numbers. We’re going to go into stasis, and when we pop out, that way we will be as strong and as powerful as we are now.
“And when we pop out during the time of these great energetic changes, we will be more useful.”
But what happened is . . . There was over 130 of these beings spread out in these stasis chambers. And mostly what has happened is the Cabal has located these stasis chambers, awakened the giants, and then moved them to prisons inside bases.
David: Well, I thought you said before that when people tried to access these stasis chambers that they would get stuck, and they wouldn’t be able to move through. There was like a gravitational field.
So how could the Cabal actually awaken anyone? I thought nobody could get in there.
Corey: Well, they CAN’T get in, but they have harmonic ways of turning off and controlling that technology.
David: Oh, really? Interesting.
Corey: They found enough of them, broken and working . . . They know how they work very well. They know the mechanics of them.
These sanctuaries . . . The people had survived physically, but mentally, they were completely checked out, these giants.
He said, surprisingly, he was able to relate with them and had more headway with them before he went through his transformation, because they were so psychologically messed up and traumatized that he can’t reason with them hardly.
Now – and he was telling me this as he was in the chair – he said, now, after he’s gone through this transformation from what he was before, that they just will not relate with him at all.
David: So let me see if I got this. They go to sleep. They think they’re going to wake up and be kings over their people, 130 of these you said, but they wake up and now they’re prisoners.
So that’s got to be very jarring for them, I would think.
David: Do they experience it just like they knitted together two points in time, or do they feel like they were gone for a really long time?
Corey: The ones that were in stasis, it’s just like they went to sleep and woke up.
David: Wow! So this sudden loss of power you’re saying has caused them to be very, very distraught.
Corey: Well, those are the ones that were in stasis. The ones that were living generation to generation in these ecosystems deep in the Earth, they were the ones that were the most traumatized.
Corey: Gonzales said that he was just unable to relate with them. He kept saying, “We can help you. We can bring you these healing technologies.”
They’re like, “No! First, you bring us our royal families and others” who are in, basically, prison, Cabal prisons, “then we will accept the healing”.
You know, that makes no sense whatsoever, but they are just gone up there.
David: The people that are living inside the Earth that have been there the whole time, do they have any awareness of what our civilization is like on the surface, or are they so cut off that they really have no idea who we are when we would come in and capture them, basically?
Corey: Most of them are cut off, but some of them would do recon missions up to the surface from time to time and have encounters with usually human military.
Corey: So they had an idea of how out of control they were now.
David: Did they have any communications systems that allowed them to be able to talk to different groups in different areas?
Corey: I was told that they were utilizing some ancient technology below ground that allowed them to communicate here and there.
But Gonzales was really frustrated. He kind of got a twinkle in his eye when he told me that these giants were not relating with him anymore after his change.
And he looked at me, and he said, “How would you like to go down there?”
And I was like, “Ah, not my job, buddy. That’s your job.”
David: Go down to where these giants are?
Corey: Right. He said, “Come on, this would not be the first time you had a meeting with someone that wanted to eat you.”
David: Where were these sites? Did you get any specific information about where were these underground sites that they had relocated to?
Corey: Yeah. It was in the Anshar area. As a matter of fact, Gonzales found out about them because the Anshar were being secretive and going off into this cavern area where there was a solid wall they were walking through, and he found a way, after weeks, to scurry around and find a little hole that he could peek through to see where they were going to.
He saw the Anshar meeting with red-haired giants that were just moaning and crying and sounded horrible.
It was soon after that, that he was, I guess, read in and started to meet with them before the Anshar kicked him out.
David: So we are essentially out of time for this episode, but I’m interested just to get your speculation as to how these giants fit into the overall picture of Ascension and us transforming into beings like the Anshar.
What do you think is the reason why you’re being shown this stuff?
Corey: The reason I think it’s occurring is that these beings, even though they’re created and they did evil things, karmically we’re all connected.
And just like the Blue Avians were wanting to move to the next octave, but they couldn’t because we were acting like a parachute, because they had karmic ties to us, that’s kind of the same thing going on with all these other beings.
We all kind of lift each other up and move together, or no one does.
David: At some point, you and Gonzales must have finished this conversation about the giants. So what happened next?
Corey: Aree and her sister visited with Gonzales and I for a while. And some of the Anshar gathered around us . . . were keeping a little bit more distance from Gonzales than they were from me at this point.
At this point, Aree’s sister said, “It’s time for us to prepare for meeting the new Guardians. And everyone was very excited.
So we started winding down the conversation. Some of the elders invited me to come back and stay for a longer period of time . . . later, months from now.
David: What did they call you when this was going on?
Corey: They called me the Hanush.
Corey: Everyone kind of got together in the commons area to say goodbye.
And we said “Goodbye”. We followed the same route back to get onto the Anshar craft on top of the domed building, and then we flew out of the anomaly.
David: Hm. Did anything else happen before you actually went home?
Corey: Yes. I didn’t actually get to go home . . .
Corey: . . . still. We landed the Anshar bus craft, walked back into the temple complex, and, again, there were even more lines of people heading into the tunnel system that led back to where the cleansing room is that I described before.
Aree and her sister walked me and Gonzales past the line. We walked past everyone, walked up to the front, and we did the cleansing ceremony.
I folded my clothes, and I was going to put them next to Gonzales’s on this pedestal that was in a half moon, semi-circle configuration in that room, in the cleansing room, but Aree had a satchel over her shoulder, a light brown satchel, and she opened it up and held it out for me and indicated that I should put my clothes in there.
I was looking around, and I saw representatives from all seven of the Inner Earth groups that I had met the first time I was there.
David: Now, did they wear the same kind of amulets as when you first saw them?
Corey: Yes. They were wearing the amulets and white tunics.
David: Interesting. Well, that’s all the time we have in this episode. I want to thank you, Corey. It’s very fascinating information. And I want to thank you for watching.