COSMIC DISCLOSURE: THE GRAND EXPERIMENT

Source: Cosmic Disclosure

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock. I’m here with Corey Goode, and in this episode, we’re going to get into the Grand Experiment.

This is something that is of particular interest to me, and I’m sure to many of you watching this program, because this Experiment affects people who are human but may not fit in and may in fact have ET souls.

So here for more information is Corey Goode. Corey, welcome back to the show.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So we’ve talked about the idea that there was a Super Earth in our Solar System that exploded 500,000 years ago, and that it deactivated some sort of protective grid around our own Solar System and neighboring systems as well.

And you said that shortly after this, a bunch of groups of ETs came in. And could you tell us a little bit about them just to recap? Who are they, and what do they want?

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Corey: Yes, they’ve been referred to as this Genetic Farmer race. And they’ve been on some sort of a mandate throughout the galaxy to spread advanced life, and to monitor and assist the development of that life, as well as the spiritual development of that life.

David: Could you define “advanced life?”

Corey: Advanced life would be, I guess, like a human being.

David: Okay. So at what point did you become aware of this existing?

Corey: I first became aware of this program when I was around the age of 13, and I was in these MILAB . . . what we’re calling the MILAB programs.

David: Okay.

Corey: Once I had been put through the process of receiving the full dose of the serum that they were giving me for intuitive empaths, I was also about at the end of the training, and they wanted to have me out in the field.

So around age 13, they took me to . . . which we’ve done an episode about . . . they took me to this Super Federation base outside of Jupiter.

And I’ve described before how when we would fly into this temporal anomaly, that you ended up in a giant, like, a bubble in space, that you couldn’t see stars. It was just pitch black.

And the space station was sitting right there in the middle, and you would see craft going to and from, from different races. And they were coming to have a meeting.

David: So why would ETs doing this be interested in a 13-year-old kid?

Corey: They had no interest in me whatsoever. I was there as one of three IEsupports. They usually would have three intuitive empaths with them to help triangulate any type of deception, danger, anything like that.

David: Okay.

Corey: And as I’ve described before, they brought us into the main meeting hall, and we sat in sort of a horseshoe fashion in a delegate seat. And at that point, they were giving us smart-glass pads to keep ourselves busy.

And I was starting to read information in those about the group that I was there to support and the different genetic programs that they were involved in.

And that’s when I found out that there were 22 different programs.

David: Were you there to support an ET group? Is that what you were involved in?

Corey: No, I was there to support the Earth delegation, but I was there to monitor everyone other than the Earth delegation.

David: So even though this Earth delegation is not elected, on some level, they represent us for this council?

Corey: Right. They rotate in. The seat rotates to different people on Earth.

David: And what would be our role in these negotiations? What are we fighting for? What do we want? Why are we there?

Corey: We don’t have a role. It’s just an observation. We’re just there to observe. And that was granted fairly recently, from what I’m told.

David: Did they ever intend for this information to be known to the general public, or do they want it to stay strictly classified?

Corey: Classified.

David: The beings that you saw in this Super Federation, how extraterrestrial would they look to us?

Corey: Well, there were 60 plus different groups. So some of them looked very similar to us in size . . . not in size but in configuration – you know, humanoid.

But a lot of them were very human-looking. They just had slightly different skin colors. I mean, they looked slightly different, but they looked fairly human.

There were some that were obviously a part of this Pre-Adamite group, the more ancient one. They were taller, and they had the elongated skulls.

There was even the ones that I had talked about in the previous episode we did, with green skin and black hair.

David: Do we know how local they are in terms of positions in our galaxy? Do they come from all over the galaxy, or is it more of a local area?

Corey: No, they come from all over the galaxy. Our local star cluster was once protected by a barrier, as we’ve discussed, by the Ancient Builder Race.

David: Right.

Corey: And once that was brought down from the inside by some of the inhabitants, these groups finally had access to all of this new, rich genetic stock. It was a very exciting time for them. They had not had access.

The only genetic programming that had gone on inside this bubble, if you wish, were groups that had become advanced themselves genetically and were traveling around within that local star cluster doing genetic experiments. And that had been going on for a billion years.

David: Just to review something that I believe you said before, are the people that evolve on planets in our local star cluster going to look more like us in general?

Corey: For the most part, they look very similar. Yes.

David: Okay.

Corey: There are different types that aren’t as mammalian-looking.

David: It seems to me that we’re pretty clear now that the Secret Space Program was being run by the Cabal, that there were some very negative aspects to it.

The term “Genetic Farmer”, to me, sounds kind of derogatory. And I’m wondering if perhaps what they’re doing might be actually more benevolent for human life on Earth than how the Cabal-run Secret Space Program might have been seeing it at that time.

Corey: When you are the petri dish, or the rat in the cage, your perspective is a little bit different than if you’re the one wearing the white coat.

David: But wouldn’t you say that the basic idea of what they’re up to . . . People hear the term “Genetic Farmer”, they might think that this is some kind of slave mill in which human genetics are being used for food or something like that.

Whereas what you’ve described before sounds more like an ascension plan, that they’re trying to help us.

Corey: Right. It is a spiritual and genetic plan, or program of evolution, that is working in concert with the cosmic changes occurring in different regions.

These cosmic . . . In different parts of the galaxy, these energetic influxes have occurred at different times and in slightly different ways. And they’re working with the local populations in concert with those cosmic changes to enhance their DNA and to enhance their consciousness.

David: I was recently going through the Hindu sacred texts using a search engine, and I found approximately . . . and it’s not exactly clear if they’re all individual or not, but I found approximately 188 references to the Solar Flash.

Everybody talks about this Solar Flash, and you have groups that are Reptilian groups called the Rakshasas. You have clearly groups like Krishna that have blue skin but are human-looking.

There’s a variety of groups that were on Earth at that time. And in these books, the Vedas, they talk about the Solar Flash as if everybody knows that this is going to happen. The Sun is going to give off this big flash at the end of the age, and that there is some kind of transformation of life on Earth.

So do you think that there is some relationship between the Genetic Farmers and what’s going on in the Hindu ancient texts?

Corey: Yes, because this flash they’re talking about is just a byproduct of these cosmic changes that are occurring, these energetic changes. So yeah, it’s a direct tie-in.

David: It’s interesting, because it’s like reading other people’s mail. Everybody takes it for granted. They all know this is going to happen. There’s no question that it happens.

Corey: It’s happened before.

David: Yeah, so it’s something they consider just to be a basic fact, like we would say that the color red is on a stop sign. Same thing.

So if they are trying to promote our Ascension, what is the difference for us when this Solar Flash would occur as opposed to if we were just out in the boondocks and nobody had ever done any of these experiments on us? What’s the difference?

Corey: Well, I’d like to think that there’s some sort of structure to the cosmos. I think that most likely you would still be advancing but at a much, much slower rate. This is like putting turbo speed on the Ascension process.

David: It’s almost like the analogy of the jack-in-the-box, where we’re spring-loaded and POW! Something happens when the Solar Flash takes place.

Corey: Right.

David: What was the history of intelligent life on Earth, if any, prior to the catastrophe of half a million years ago where the Super Earth blew up? Was there any human life or intelligent life on Earth before that?

Corey: Well, interestingly enough, this Reptilian or Saurian group that has been in conflict with humanity for so long, claims that they originally were stewards of the Earth, and that they had their own experiment going on here, that some of these races that now have a mammalian experiment going on had sterilized their experiment, and that in doing so, they had lost three races.

David: Hm. Three different intelligent species?

Corey: They said there were three lost races because of this cleansing that took place. So that’s one of the claims made by the Reptilians that I have not had verified.

David: The insider, Bruce, who gave me a lot of the information for “Ascension Mysteries”, said that the prevailing opinion within his insider clique now is that the asteroid, or whatever it was that destroyed the dinosaurs, was deliberately steered in, and that the Moon was placed in its current position at that time to jump-start more of a mammalian cycle for the Earth by giving us seasons that we wouldn’t have had without it.

Corey: Yeah, interestingly enough, my recent contacts with some of these airmen that escort Sigmund, they told me that I had gotten the dates wrong.

They said, according to their information, this Super Earth blew up 500 million years ago, and that it was 60 or so million years ago that the Moon came into orbit and that a lot of stuff . . . and that also they were telling me that it was really strange, but they were trying to push the dates out much further.

David: Well, my own research would suggest that they might have been disinforming you for some reason . . .

Corey: Yeah, yeah.

David: . . . because I’ve had multiple individuals say the same dates. And the 500,000-year-old date is precisely in the Law of One.

Corey: Right. And this is after Sigmund was missing, and they were asking me about his whereabouts. And so, yeah, there’s a lot of stuff that’s been kind of weird since then.

David: Do we know anything about what these three Reptilian races would have looked like or where did they go?

Corey: Nothing. Possibly, because the Raptor group, it is postulated that they are remnants of the dinosaur race that escaped under Earth, underground, and they escaped the cataclysm. So I don’t know if they could have been one race that survived and three more are missing, but it’s interesting to think about.

David: Hm. So I know we covered the Raptors before, but not everybody is going to have seen all episodes. So could you tell us a little bit more about them? This is a very strange thing, obviously.

Corey: And I found out since then that they have all different sizes and types.

David: Oh, really?

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Corey: Right. And the ones that we see the most have feathered plumes on the back of their necks like birds. They look like a mix between a dinosaur and a bird. They’ve got really jerky bird-like movements.

The opening to where they are is somewhere in the jungles of South America. And they’ve been known to come out and hunt at night.

Now, this is information I’ve been given more recently second-hand. It’s not anything I read on the glass pads.

David: Do they make speech? Can they make speech sounds? Or how do they communicate?

Corey: They communicate telepathically with each other.

David: Oh, so they don’t actually speak.

Corey: Well, they make noises. They have all different types, they . . . just like birds. They have nonverbal communications of different types.

But, yeah, they do not have a voice box. They do not have lips or a tongue, or the gene that everyone who has speech on the Earth has – I doubt very seriously. But they are high intelligence and are pretty ferocious.

David: Are they technological in any sense, or are they just basically a primitive species?

Corey: They’re pretty primitive technologically.

David: Are you aware of any technology that they have?

Corey: Just basic . . . not high technology. Just basic technology.

David: What would be a basic technology?

Corey: Well, you know, like using sticks and rocks or putting things together. They’re not super advanced.

David: Okay. So we have what appears to be a diabolical type of Reptilian race that was growing out of the dinosaurs on Earth. Somebody else comes in and decides that that needs to be sterilized and cleansed. Do the Reptilian groups believe that they still are in control, and they have land and title rights to this planet as a result of thinking that they were here first?

Corey: Yes, that is one of their claims.

David: Okay. So it looks like what we’re seeing, if this did in fact happen, is that these Genetic Farmer groups are actually terraforming, that they’re able to remodel an entire planet based upon a certain desired outcome. Would you say that’s true?

Corey: Yes, that’s part of the Grand Experiment.

David: And if we’ve talked about the Moon – we had William Tompkins say this as well – having just a massive amount of internal structure, is it possible that the Moon could be transporting, literally, an entire biosphere from one planet to another inside of itself as part of this terraforming?

Corey: Well, that is one of the theories, that it’s that ancient.

David: Okay. So if the Genetic Farmers are actively pursuing this type of a strategy, it seems like it’s not just about creating life as we see it today. We are in the middle of something. We are not the end of something. Would you say that’s true?

Corey: Right. Yeah, we’re pretty far along in the Experiment.

David: Oh, we are?

Corey: I would say so. We’re obviously about to reach some sort of a crescendo, so we’d better be a pretty good ways into the Experiment.

David: Would you speculate that the Experiment would conclude fairly soon after the Solar Flash, that whatever they get out of that is the outcome?

Corey: It won’t conclude. It’ll just change – go into a new phase.

David: Okay. So this could actually go on for, in our terms, quite some time.

Corey: It’ll go on until everything returns to Source or whatever happens at the end of time.

David: Would these Genetic Farmer groups acknowledge at some point that we would grow up enough to meet them and be aware of what had happened?

Corey: Definitely. The goal of these programs is to get each planetary sphere and the advanced beings on it to a point of self-management. At a certain point, we will be technologically, spiritually evolved enough to where we will start managing our own genetics and the pace of which we want them to evolve. That is the goal.

They want to get everyone to that point. And at that point, you become a part of this Grand Confederation.

David: You’ve talked before about the galactic slave trade, and the idea that whatever they’ve done here is so much more valuable than in many other places, that we are a highly desired abducted commodity, either as slaves or as a source of genetic material.

Why do you think this planet is so unique in terms of what they were able to accomplish with these programs?

Corey: Most likely because of its location in the local star cluster. It’s right in the middle, right by a supergate, so beings are going to be able to come here easily from anywhere in our galaxy or other galaxies.

David: Do you have any specific information about the actual components of the genetic programs that these guys are running?

Corey: There is a genetic component. There is a spiritual component, and a related component, consciousness component. And the last component is one that we discussed, it’s the cosmic component – all of these working in concert with each other to work in timing with the cosmic component.

David: Okay, that’s interesting because when we talked about this before, you would basically just describe it as a genetic and spiritual component, and it’s like a sliding scale between one or the other.

So now you’re also saying that there’s a consciousness component and a cosmic component as well as a genetic and spiritual.

Corey: Right.

David: So could you delineate what these four categories would represent?

Corey: Right. And we just had never gone this in depth.

David: Okay.

Corey: The genetic program is pretty obvious. They’re harvesting genetics from other star systems, galaxies. And once they’ve gotten to a certain point that they think will be a good catalyst for a different species, they’ll bring it to that planetary sphere and begin to genetically manipulate that species.

They have to stick to cosmic laws very strictly – the laws of free will.

David: Uh huh.

Corey: So one of the largest components of this program – and it took a long time to figure this out – was a lot of the people, if not most, that are being abducted and experimented on, they were incarnations of the soul group, I guess you would call them, of the beings that are doing the experiments.

So basically, let’s just say like an Eban – they don’t normally do that much experimentation on humans – but if they wanted to go down and ethically do experiments on humans, they would have a number of their people leave their bodies, go down, go into incarnation on Earth, and then be a part of the experiment and allowing themselves, in an agreement before they went in, to be genetically experimented on.

David: Are you saying that cosmic law requires you to do that in order to play around with these experiments?

Corey: The cosmic law requires the benevolent ones to do this type of thing.

David: Wow!

Corey: They learn how to skirt these cosmic laws very well without crossing them.

David: Hm. Okay. So you have a genetic component, and you indicated that they are harvesting genetics from another planet. What does that mean? That sounds pretty terrifying.

Corey: Well, they’re getting genetic samples from beings that they have developed to a certain period. And there is a being over here that needs that same development. So to give them a turbo boost, they’ll take those genes, transport them over to this group.

David: It’s not like they’re throwing a being in a blender and then just taking the tissue.

Corey: No.

David: This is a very technical process I assume?

Corey: At this current day, if you were to give a genetic sample, you’re just going to spit in a cup or get a swab.

David: Right.

Corey: They don’t have to put you in a blender.

David: So that’s what you mean by “harvesting”.

Corey: Right.

David: Okay. Then you also said there was a consciousness component to this. And could you explain what the consciousness component is and how that would differ from the spiritual component?

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Corey: Yeah, the consciousness component is related to the spiritual component. The consciousness component is to have the target group, which would be us in this case, develop their consciousness on a schedule that matches the cosmic schedule that’s about to occur. So it’s all managed very carefully.

And consciousness grows at a certain rate that they have calculated, but they’re enhancing it by coming in and giving us different, not just religions, but cultural things. You know, teaching us how to raise animals and all of that civilization kind of . . .

David: Yeah, this is interesting because it appears that if you look at this Atlantean catastrophe of 12,500 years ago, thereabouts, that in the aftermath, we have independent civilizations all over the Earth that seem to develop the technology of milling grain, metallurgy, plumbing, sewage, building technology, mathematics, time measurement, codified law.

You’re saying that these Genetic Farmers are centrally involved in all that type of stuff?

Corey: Yes.

David: And it’s because they’re keeping us on a timeline?

Corey: Well, not necessarily a timeline, but keeping us on schedule for the Cosmic Event. And they want to enhance us much further through this genetic engineering and spiritual engineering process so that when this Event does occur, this Cosmic Event, that we are going to boost much further than we would if we developed naturally.

David: And it would appear that they are allowed to be “gods”, if you will, to show up in person with their craft and in their incarnate forms as they’re going through these stages of a rebooting of civilization like this.

Corey: Yeah, if they’re in the middle of a reboot, but for the most part, no. The positive ones try not to appear in the sky or around human beings or other beings, unless that is one of the catalysts that they’re trying to use to have them grow in consciousness.

David: So if they want to teach us about alchemy, or metallurgy, or astrology, or something like this, and they don’t want to appear, how would they be doing it?

Corey: Well, through leaders. They communicate with people telepathically. They give people ideas. They’ve done that with our scientists for a long time, seeded ideas and information to them subconsciously.

And the spiritual component is very much tied in with the consciousness component. That also has to do with these Genetic Farmers. They are incarnating as us to be a part of this Experiment, but many of them are karmically tied.

Because of the experiments that they’ve been doing, they can’t go any further in their evolutionary process unless we come along with them.

So a lot of their agenda has to do with having us progress so THEY can.

David: Do they all have languages where the name of their group would be something that would be able to be encapsulated in the type of consonant and vowel sounds that we use in our own spoken language?

Corey: Some [names] we’d be able to pronounce.

David: Are there others that have anomalies in how they speak that would not be at all familiar to how we could talk?

Corey: Well, I mean, go to Swaziland or somewhere just here on Earth and you hear the difference in how they communicate – clicking and pops and stuff. So yeah, there’s a wide range of ways that they communicate – different types of languages.

But there is . . . There does seem to be one standard language that they share, that they use.

David: I was sitting down with Graham Hancock for dinner at Contact in the Desert, and we talked about some similar subjects as this. And he reminded me that he wrote an entire book called “Supernatural” in which he discussed this idea that various indigenous cultures are making these cave paintings, and that that may actually be a far more sophisticated language, sort of like a hieroglyphic, that in some ways is tethered to a psychedelic consciousness, where the beings that they’re drawing actually exist somewhere.

So I’m curious if any of the languages that these Genetic Farmers have may involve a type of written hieroglyphic that does have a psychic domain that it activates by looking at it in some way.

Corey: Yes. Yeah, there are a lot of pictographic languages that the non-terrestrials have that in them will evoke that type of response. In us, it may evoke a similar response. It just depends on whether you’re close to them. There are a lot of variables there.

David: So we talked about four components total, and the fourth one was a cosmic component. So where does that fit in with what we’re discussing?

Corey: Well, the cosmic component is that in each region of our galaxy, the way that the galaxy rotates, star systems and star clusters are moving into these high energetic gaseous areas that are a catalyst for this.

And they calculate how quickly you’re moving into it. A lot of these energies they say have been hitting us since at least the 1930s, but they’ve been increasing, increasing.

So what they’ve been doing, the Genetic Farmer groups, is that they’ve been engineering humans genetically and also working on our consciousness and spirituality in a way to where when we get to the crescendo of this energy influx that we will be ready to make a turbo jump in changing densities, in changing consciousness, as opposed to if they hadn’t have interfered, we would just be a slightly different version.

David: There’s a lot of really interesting stuff in this Genetic Farmer subject for me, because the last time I ever used alcohol and drugs was on a Friday night. And I went to AA meetings starting on a Saturday.

And that same weekend, I believe on Sunday, I wrote this long essay about Earth. It was called “Earth as an Experiment.”

And I was describing the idea that there were ETs that were setting all of this up of our lives on Earth as part of a grand spiritual experiment.

Do you think these Genetic Farmer groups show up as people?

Corey: Well, definitely. They incarnate as people, as human beings. So they will incarnate as a human being. And at the end of that lifetime, their people will come and retrieve that soul and add it back to their collective. They usually have a backup body for them.

In fact, in the programs, in the beginning, there was some confusion, because some of these beings were coming in that we weren’t real familiar with and abducting people and returning their, basically, dead bodies.

And what finally occurred is that when we captured some of them and interrogated them, we found out that they were here retrieving some of their people who had died in crashes here thousands of years ago.

David: Hm.

Corey: And their people got caught up in the reincarnation cycle here on Earth. And what they had to do is locate their people, remove them and remove the souls and put the souls into another container, and they would return the bodies. So they saw it as a rescue mission, and a lot of the people in the programs thought there was something more nefarious going on.

David: Yeah, that wouldn’t sound as much like one of the benevolent groups as a group that’s probably more just tinkering around but without so much of a spiritual focus.

Corey: Right, but from the perspective of this group, they’re basically like “Star Trek Voyager” coming in to rescue some of their teammates that have been missing for 1,000 years or so.

So they have a completely different perspective on it.

David: So how much memory do these, as they’re called in “The Law of One”, the Wanderers . . . how much memory do these Wanderers have of who they really are once they become human?

Corey: They’re basically a blank slate when they get here to keep them from violating the laws that they’re trying to circumvent by incarnating here. So that’s a part of circumventing those laws is to incarnate here as a blank slate.

David: What would allow one of these people to escape the reincarnation cycle? You said once they come in they have to reincarnate.

Corey: In our incarnation cycle, reincarnation cycle, for as much time as it takes them to, I guess, evolve out of it, which they can do a lot quicker since they’ve done it before, they’re usually a species much more advanced than us, of course.

But also what can happen is they can be rescued. If they’re not rescued, they’re stuck here until they complete the cycle.

David: From what you’re describing, it sounds like some people might interpret this as if they’re getting into a soul trap by coming here.

Corey: Well, their soul DOES get trapped, but what occurs is that each planetary sphere has its own reincarnation cycle. And if they get caught up in it and don’t have anyone to rescue them, then they’re going to have to stay in it until they are able to get out through quick evolution.

David: In “The Law of One”, it says that any Wanderer that engages in a consciously unloving act towards others gets caught up in this reincarnation cycle. That’s actually stated in there.

I’m wondering if anything that you’ve heard personally would validate that idea.

Corey: I mean, the validation of that idea is basically the report that when these craft have crashed in the past, they’ve gotten stuck in our reincarnation cycle. So that would correlate.

David: Right. So let me ask you this. Are all of these various ET groups – you said there was 40 or 60 of them at various Super Federation meetings – are they all basically cooperating with each other and working for the same goal?

Corey: They’re working for the same overall goal, and they’re loosely cooperating with each other, and they have treaties and agreements, but they are not working in concert with each other.

A lot of these programs are competing programs as well. That’s why they have kept their experiments separate from each other. And they’ve instilled religious things like, “Do not mix with other races”. They didn’t want to pollute their experiment with another experiment.

David: Would they ever actually abduct someone outside of their own group for any reason?

Corey: Yeah. Often these groups, they keep tabs on each other’s experiments. And oftentimes, they try to sabotage each other’s experiments.

David: Hm.

Corey: What will happen is they will go and abduct an experiment, or a person that is an experiment from one group, and get the genetic information, do evaluations of their spiritual and consciousness level to keep tabs on how quickly their competitor’s experiment is proceeding.

David: So you said that religion is one of the ways that these groups are partitioned. So are you basically saying that geographic regions with particular races and their own separate special spoken language, that those are all actually separate programs?

Corey: Well, yes. And the fact that these different races on Earth are found in different regions separated by oceans, usually, that is done on purpose to keep these experiments from intermingling and polluting one another.

And that’s where a lot of the social programming, religious programming, has come in. You know, “don’t marry outside of your race” – a lot of instilling of racism to make it “us against them”.

They want us to self-manage on that level and not interbreed and mix with each other. That will pollute their experiments.

David: What would be the goal of them competing with each other like this? Is it about prestige?

Is there some sense of winning if one group proceeds faster or develops faster spiritually or technologically?

Corey: I don’t think it’s that type of competition. They want to see their agenda completed first.

And before all the treaties, a lot of these 22 different groups were battling with each other. When they first come into an area that has not been controlled by one of these Genetic Farmer groups, they have a whole routine of making claims, and there are skirmishes over claims.

So they go through this whole process, which usually ends in some sort of a treaty which they abide to until that experiment reaches the point of this cosmic portion of the program.

David: If you’re saying that there are 22 different groups, and there are also up to 60 attendees of races, . . .

Corey: 22 different programs.

David: Okay.

Corey: 60 attendees. And some of these attendees, there will be like five groups working on one genetic program together.

David: Okay. That’s what I thought.

Corey: And then some of them will be working on more than one program. They’ll be working on other programs that are not in competition with theirs.

David: So you could actually have one particular culture on Earth in a geographically isolated region that might have as many as five different ET groups that would be working with them, incarnating among them? This kind of thing?

Corey: Yeah, and some of them might be just taking the genetic component. Others might be appearing to certain people on the ground and giving them religious ideology. Some of them might just be appearing to give them a boost in civilization, technology for civilization.

So they work in concert with each other.

David: I’m curious about the population density of some of these groups on Earth, because it seems to me that someone might erroneously conclude that you would have only a few categories of these programs, given the fact that there’s only a few major monotheistic religions.

But what I’m hearing is, just like in medieval Europe, you have countries that are separated by mountain ranges or water, etc.

You might have something that we would think of as a country that could be its own genetic program, not just that it’s a race or it’s one particular religion, per se.

Corey: Right, regions.

David: Okay. So there could actually be a number of different geographically diverse regions that have their own experiments running in some sense.

Corey: Right. And sometimes multiple experiments, if they coincide with each other.

David: Hm. So in “The Law of One”, people that have this type of heritage are called “Wanderers”. They’re also frequently called “Starseeds”. And I would imagine that probably the majority of the people who watch our show would be ET souls, given what we know about them and how long I’ve been studying this, ever since 1996.

What would you say is a message that you could give to those people that might help them understand who they are, what they’re doing here, and what their purpose might be?

Corey: Well, I guess the hardest thing for most of them to believe is that they agreed to come here and experience all of this. Remembering that you, on some level, agreed to experience all this is the best way to keep yourself grounded, I think.

David: What would be a spiritual guideline for those people in terms of understanding what their purpose is for being here?

Corey: Well, most of those people are drawn to those things already, to eating properly, to raising their vibration through the type of information they watch and bring in, and meditating, that kind of a thing – and also mingling with people that are birds of a feather, I guess you would say.

David: It seems to me that a lot of people really get trapped into what esoterics would call “victim consciousness”, this idea that they are being oppressed by something that is gargantuan and totally beyond their control. And a lot of people seem to “sign off” on personal responsibility and move into that very comfortable skin of the victim role.

What would you say, in light of people that would be prone to thinking that way because they’re awakened to the truth, learning that they volunteered to do this, that they volunteered to be here?

Corey: Well, we’re learning that maybe we’re not victims after all. This victim mentality, maybe that’s just another psyop. Maybe once we realize what we are and our true potential, we will feel empowered and not like victims anymore.

David: Hm. I like that. All right. Well, that’s all the time we have for in this episode regarding the Grand Experiment. I hope you’ve enjoyed it. It’s very fascinating to me with the history of being a Wanderer and awakening to that in 1996.

I’m David Wilcock here with Corey Goode. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”, and I thank you for watching.

Corey Goode on Nordic Extraterrestrials working with Religious Leaders for Disclosure

Source: Exopolitics

The following answers were received from Corey Goode on June 26 in response to questions I sent to him about information he shared recently in an article about the Vatican being involved in an extraterrestrial disclosure initiative. In his responses, he provides further details about what he has been told by multiple sources about ongoing events involving the Vatican, Nordic extraterrestrials and a US Air Force run secret space program.

For those still questioning the credibility of Goode and his disclosures, I recommend an article published on June 11 where documents and professional references are provided that prove two prominent UFO investigators were conducting a hoax investigation into Goode. The investigators clearly attempted to tarnish Goode’s credibility by saying his former career as a well-respected and highly paid Information Technology consultant was wholly contrived, and therefore he is a “pathological liar”.

I have to date communicated with three Information Technology experts who have corroborated Goode’s professional IT background, and they added that he continues to be highly regarded. In all, five IT professionals have vouched for Goode, four of whom have provided recommendations listed in Goode’s LinkedIn account. What this information clearly shows is that Goode was indeed a highly respected IT professional before going public in 2014 with his extraordinary whistleblower claims.

This does not prove any of Goode’s remarkable statements about secret space programs, but it does establish his credibility as a whistleblower whose information deserves serious scrutiny. Since coming forward, irreparable damage has been done to his prospects of working in the IT industry again. What follows adds important information about the role of the Vatican and the U.S. Air Force in impending disclosure initiatives involving Nordic (human looking) extraterrestrials.

Questions and Responses

Q1. Can you explain who told you about a group of extraterrestrials working with the Vatican and other religious leaders about alien disclosure?

I had heard this info in various forms for at least the last 6 months. I think I first heard it from Gonzales. Most recently “Sigmund” and his 2 Airmen Escorts have mentioned it as well. On June 15th, while discussing a number of topics Ka Aree mentioned it in the same conversation of the M.[Muhammad] Accords now being ignored by up to 4 Non-Human Groups.

Q2. What do you know of the Nordic extraterrestrials working with the religious community and why does Ka Aree consider them “brothers and sisters in the Confederation?

Ka Aree stated that the Nordics have worked with Humanity for a very long time. They have mostly worked quietly in the background, but do pop up in historical documents referenced as “Angels”. They would directly interact with certain groups within the Military and Government (including the founding fathers of the United States) as well as with various religious leaders. They have been heavily involved in developing Humanity in a number of ways.

First they (& other races) began to manipulate our DNA to assist in the ability to use speech and to have higher cognitive abilities. Then they developed civilization and base religions with humanity. During this time, Humanity began another important stage of our evolution. The Industrial and Technological Booms were assisted by a number of races including the Nordics. From the beginning these groups were manicuring our consciousness through belief systems and religions.

New belief systems and religions have been crafted by these groups (the Nordics in particular) up until the present day. In fact, The Airforce General we call “Sigmund” had just completed a report prior to his disappearance. In the report he concluded that the experiences I am having are all created and controlled by the Nordics. Further, his report stated that he and his superiors were convinced that this same Nordic group had created the Law of One information as well. He was convinced from the moment I met him that the Nordics were behind this.

The report stated there is no evidence of a NAVY SSP or credible reports from within the Airforce Space Command of there being a barrier around the solar system or a new group of ET’s arriving in Planet Sized Spheres.  This is very interesting knowing that Sigmund did indeed make contact with members of the Navy SSP and even arrested and interrogated a few of them. This report was dated in April 2017, just prior to his disappearance. I’m not at all sure that he wrote the report that was filed under his name.

Q3. What were you told about the contents of an extraterrestrial disclosure announcement in terms of why it would become the basis for a new world religion?

After these beings are introduced, they expect the public will have a lot of questions about the ET’s. The ET’s beliefs and knowledge of the Universe and God would be among the top questions. At this point these beings are expected to share a newly crafted belief system that is based on the ET’s true belief system. These beings will be doing this to help Humanity from the ET perspective.

Q4. You say 90% of people will adopt the new religion quickly. Were you told why it would happen so quickly?

It is expected that most will question their belief systems in the first few years of an introduction to ET’s. Humanity will understand how little we know and will be reaching out to these new “friends” for assistance and answers. This sets up a situation for the majority of people on the planet to adopt a similar belief system that gets them away from the current division.

Q5. What do you know of such an extraterrestrial disclosure announcement being preceded by disclosure of a Military Industrial Complex Secret Space Program?

The MIC SSP (Air Force/NSA etc…) have been preparing for the disclosure of their program. I have not heard of them doing this in tandem with an ET announcement other than the Antarctic ruins being disclosed along with more “Ancient Alien” artifacts around the Solar System. This narrative was supposed to first….

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Cosmic Disclosure: Zero Point Energy and Advanced Propulsion Technology

Source: Sphere Being Alliance

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock. So, Corey, welcome back.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So I’ve got to say that when I saw this interview footage, the first one we’re going to watch here, he actually mentions the name of a guy who I knew very well.

And Mark Comings is one of the only people I’ve ever met who literally could run rings around me when it came to advanced physics.

And so when you and I are talking, you know a lot more about Secret Space Program stuff than anybody else I’ve met, except for a few insiders.

Mark Comings is one of those guys, but in the physics arena. So this really shocked me to hear him mention that name because I know so much about this guy we could talk about him for two hours.

So without further ado, let’s hear the first thing that Mark McCandlish has to say, and maybe you’ll understand why I was so surprised once you see it yourself. Let’s take a look.

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CHASING FREE ENERGY

Mark McCandlish: I met a scientist who has since sort of taken himself out of circulation. He’s vanished. His name was Mark Comings.

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He was a physics professor working as a teaching assistant at UC Berkeley, in their physics department.

And he had been . . . He’d become aware of the fact that in the basement of the physics building on campus was a lot of this old surplus equipment – frequency generators and oscilloscopes and power generators – all these different kinds of things.

So he asked the head of the department if he could go down and just tinker and do some experiments. He had some ideas he wanted to play around with. And they gave him the okay.

So he had this idea that, as you may know, there are certain kinds of crystals, like quartz for example, that . . . It’s the whole basis for the original phonograph record, the stylus.

When you would put a small crystal – I think it was like a diamond crystal – under pressure, it would create a mild electrical current. And if you amplify that current, you could then hear what the impulses were coming through that stone, that gem. And you could actually hear the vibrations that were recorded in a disk of plastic. That’s how the phonograph works.

And so his idea was that, okay, crystals, when they’re put under pressure – physical pressure – will create an electrical charge. But he wondered if you augmented the process by putting electrical coils that wrapped around the crystal, and you essentially applied an electrical pressure to the crystal, that the crystal would do not only the same piezoelectric process of creating an output of electricity, but that it might actually be more than what you would get with just putting physical pressure on it.

That by taking advantage of the lattice – the crystalline structure of this object, this stone – that you could then get it to resonate in a way that would kick out even more energy than you were putting into it.

And so he had a barium titanate crystal. It was about eight inches long, double terminated – in other words, a point on each side – had a cross-section that was kind of like a stop sign, sort of an octagon shape, had it fabricated by a facility outside the San Francisco Bay area where he lived.

And he had two different coils. One had a lot of fine windings, and another coil wrapped around the outside of that, all completely insulated, that had a lower number of windings.

And he experimented with putting a variety of different electrical charges, different voltages, frequencies, in different combinations, until eventually one night, about 1 o’clock in the morning, working late on this apparatus, the crystal began to glow a bluish-green, and it began to ring.

You know how when you’re at a wedding, and you take your glass – your wet finger on a champagne glass, and it makes that high pitched ringing sound? He said it was like that.

And he looked at the scale – the dials on his equipment that showed input voltage and output voltage.

And this thing was putting out 125% more – in other words, everything it was getting plus an additional 25% over and above what he was putting into the crystal.

Of course, he was very excited, you know, took his notes, shut everything down, went home, went to bed. And by 8 o’clock the next morning, his house was surrounded by black SUVs and guys with ear buds and dark glasses.

They kick in the front door. They tossed the whole house. They arrested him. They confiscated all his notes. They confiscated his equipment.

And they basically said that they’d found a closed circuit TV system that he’d set up to view some of the women in the Phys Ed building, the locker room, the women’s locker room in the next building. And, you know, he was in trouble.

And they wouldn’t tell him what he was being charged with. They kept saying, “You know what you’re charged with. You know what’s going on here.”

And the reality of the whole thing was that he had created an apparatus that had accomplished what is supposedly impossible.

And I asked him, I said, “When you did this, when this thing finally worked when you found all of the right ingredients to make it work, do you believe that this thing put out some kind of a footprint in the environment that someone in the know was listening for and were ready to clamp down on?”

He said, “Absolutely, without a question.” He said, “Somebody triangulated my position, found out where I was, found the equipment, got ahold of the administration of the university, and they were at my house by 8 o’clock the next morning.”

That’s how fast it was. And so he’s gone into hiding. And I’ve heard that he’s working somewhere in the Far East.

He’s well-funded and continues his research, but all underground.

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David: Well, Corey, this is a very emotional thing for me actually, because first of all, I knew Mark Comings before he went into hiding. We actually spoke on the same stage at a conference I was doing in Portland in 2003, called “Time and Global Shift”.

And he wouldn’t tell me what he had invented that caused these guys to come to his house. So seeing McCandlish go into detail about what the invention was was a first. I had not heard . . . I just heard about the bad parts.

So let’s talk about that first. Is there, in fact, some sort of energetic signature like Mark and I also talked about personally, that we theorized had been released when you build one of these types of devices that they could detect?

Corey: Yes. And that is how they track, also, a lot of the nonterrestrial and human craft within our solar system.

It is used as a way of doing air traffic control to be able to locate the vessels producing this signature. There is indeed a signature that is put off in a limited spectrum that they are always listening for on the Earth and also in space.

David: Is there any place safe in the world for somebody to develop this technology? Or could the Cabal hit you basically at any geographical location on Earth?

Corey: When it comes to developing it, yeah, there are plenty of deep, dark holes you can hide in to develop it. And you have to acquire everything that you’re going to use – all of the different types of technology – you have to acquire it very quietly.

If one person starts acquiring certain technology, red flags go off.

So you can find a place secure to develop it, but the minute you’re successful, they’re going to know because of this energy signature that they can pick up.

David: Right.

Corey: That’s why they watch these people very closely, very important that they develop a personality profile on them so they can decide which way to approach them.

Some people, you know, the almighty dollar. If they go and offer them $1 billion, they’ll sign over the patent very quickly.

Others, who are more principled, they have to threaten their families. They have to lean on them. And sometimes, ultimately, these people will die of strange cancers, heart attacks, strokes, suicide.

David: It sounds like you’re describing a different type of what John Perkins wrote about in his classic book, “Confessions of an Economic Hitman”. And he called it “The gun or the money campaign” . . .

Corey: Um-hmm.

David: . . . where he’d walk in with a gun in one hand and a bale of cash in the other, and say, “I’m giving you one of the two of these before I leave here. Which one do you want?”

Corey: Yes.

David: Same basic idea, huh?

Corey: Same basic idea. And, I mean, if it’s going to work in that situation, humans are so much the same, they’re going to be able to use it for the free energy sector as well.

David: Another story that Mark Comings told me was that in another group that was aware of this kind of thing happening, they tried to build a free energy device where each component was built separately and the plans were kept separate.

And then only right when they were going to test it would they have each of the guys bring a different piece of the machine together, build it on the spot, test it, then break it down and take it away.

But even in that situation, he said they still got popped.

Corey: Well, it’s easy because there are satellites that are covering almost every square inch of . . . well, every square inch that is important on the Earth.

So if they came together real quick, put this device together, turned it on, and then The-Powers-That-Be got this signal ping on their device – they call it a ping – and then these people take apart the device and then scoot, well, they’re going to be able to go and rewind – just like a videotape where this satellite was tasked, at what time – and go to the right satellite, find the footage, and then track the people back to where they came from.

David: It’s very interesting that Mark Comings is describing the crystal glowing. So I’m curious if you ever witnessed glowing crystal technology in any of the stuff that you saw.

Corey: I saw the scientists working with different types of crystals and stones and stuff, and I saw very small crystals that were square, obviously man made, glow when a field was applied to them.

And there were . . . Nothing physically was touching them. So, yeah, I’ve seen that.

David: If they give you, let’s say, billions of dollars, and you take it. Do they then kill you later, or do you actually get to live out your life?

Corey: Very quietly live your life, probably on a remote island.

David: All right. Well, with that in mind, let’s now see this next piece of interview footage with Mark McCandlish discussing the interesting and scary politics of free energy. Take a look.

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RELEASING FREE ENERGY

Mark McCandlish: Actually, bringing the technology out and making it available is something that’s going to require all of the precautions that we started to implement when we went from the horse and buggy era to automobiles – you know, car crashes, or people going too fast, or spilling gasoline, and fires.

But, you know, the technology, if it’s properly implemented, can give the petroleum industry the ability to take all of that chemistry and use it for other things that are much more valuable in terms of their return on investment.

There’ll have to be a time when the scientific community as a whole is going to get together, and they’re going to have to acknowledge that the technology is real.

There’s been enough experiments, enough patents done now, that anyone who’s really in the know, who understands what the implications are of the technology, is going to understand that if a scientific consortium, a group of scientists, came together and they outlined a plan to implement the development of the technology in a way that it could be used safely – safely for the production of energy, with the sole purpose being to save the environment from all of the impacts of the pollution that’s created by fossil fuels, especially the nuclear power industry after the wake of Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and now Fukushima.

I mean, there are people now that are saying that in 20 years, the Pacific Ocean could be dead because of all the cesium 137 that’s being put into the ocean.

And if we can use the technology to produce power and not have to worry about nuclear power and the fallout, and the terrible footprint of nuclear waste, then I think we’ll be so much further ahead. I think the environment will really benefit.

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David: So regarding this question of clean energy, I think you and I both agree that it is being suppressed for a variety of reasons.

What would you say are the main reasons why this technology isn’t being allowed to go out there despite its awesome usefulness for the problems that we have?

Corey: Most of these patents have been classified for one reason. The reason is that if the free energy was released to the public, it’s going to collapse the economy because the energy sector is a very, very large part of the economy.

What truly is the reason is that those who control the energy sector don’t want to lose their power and income. So we are being denied these technologies just because somebody wants to get paid.

Another aspect of this is you’ll have someone try to reproduce one of these free energy devices. And if it is known, remotely they can create an imbalance in the field of where the people are doing the testing, and things that should normally be repeatable – experiments that are repeatable – won’t work.

So they’re able to affect it remotely as well – affect people’s research.

David: All right. Now, we’re going to have some footage from Mark McCandlish in which he’s describing not a reverse engineered situation, but an actual extraterrestrial craft and the attendant circumstances. Let’s take a look.

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UNDERSTANDING ZERO POINT ENERGY

Mark McCandlish: Since I found out about the Alien Reproduction Vehicle, one of the things that I began investigating was the whole business of alien abduction, and alien contact, and this kind of thing, because my thinking was that if these people really were having encounters with beings from another star system, there might be a chance – however slim – that they were taken aboard these vehicles, and they might have gotten a tour of the ship.

They might have had an opportunity to see some of the components of the ship.

And I really got pretty lucky, because one of the three young ladies who I investigated very thoroughly, did, in fact, make that claim, that after she had gone through some very horrifying tests to determine whether she was a threat to the beings on this vehicle, they did, in fact, give her a tour of the ship.

And one of the areas that she went into was an area where the central part of the propulsion system was located. And many of the components described were remarkably similar to the ones in the Alien Reproduction Vehicle.

There was a central column. There was evidence of counter rotation, just like in the Bell. There was a small disk, very similar to the item that’s in the Alien Reproduction Vehicle. But in the Alien Reproduction Vehicle, this thing is . . . it looks like the floor of the vehicle. It’s about a nine foot diameter disk that’s under the ejection seats.

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But on the alien version, this thing’s only about two to three inches larger in diameter than the central column. And the column was made out of a glass-like substance, just like the materials used in the ARV.

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It was sitting in a pit in the middle of a circular room, and the perimeter of the room was kind of a walkway with a railing at its edge.

But she said that when she looked down into the pit and across the far side, she could see that beneath the floor was this glass-like substance with these coils embedded, just like the ring of coils around the crew apartment in the ARV.

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But the thing that was most fascinating about her description was that in the central column, with the little disk at the bottom spinning in one direction, the column itself spinning in the opposite direction, that there was a silvery metallic-like fluid that was inside this column that she could see under the glass.

And it had these little flecks, shiny flecks and dark flecks of material that were sort of swirling around, but she said you could see the turbulence pattern in the liquid.

And the turbulence pattern looked like a series of five little tornadoes that were spiraling up around the inside of this column.

What she was witnessing is very much like what you see when you get an F5 tornado. You have the big one in the middle that’s going 150 miles an hour. It’s tearing up everything in sight.

And then a lot of times what you’ll get is a series of smaller tornadoes that are rotating in the opposite direction, almost just like a planetary gear drive. And they’re orbiting the main one in the middle.

And the turbulence pattern that she was seeing in this column looked just like what you would see in those little sister tornadoes that would orbit an F5.

And so that told me that inside this column was a shearing effect, where two things are moving past one another like that, which means that there’s another cylinder on the inside moving in one direction. And then there’s a cylinder on the outside moving in the opposite direction.

And that shearing effect is what was creating these like miniature tornado-type structures on the inside.

So then, the fluid itself can be seen moving upward. So that begs the question, okay, where is it going?

Well, if it’s a closed loop system – and this sort of fills out some of the details of the Die Glocke, the Bell – is that if the fluid is moving upward, then it has to be coming back down somewhere.

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And the answer is it’s coming down through the middle. So it’s a closed loop. It goes up through the edges between the two cylinders and then down through the middle.

And if you’re having this tremendously powerful electrical discharge that fires through that liquid, and it’s done in just the right way – if you shape different parts of the system in such a way that it’s like a venturi, like a funnel at the top – when you fire electricity down through the center of that funnel – because you have a ring shaped electrode and then a cone shaped electrode in the middle – you get what amounts to an artificial ball lightening.

Ball lightning has been modeled as a torus, as a donut shape, in the laboratory. They’ve done this.

And what happens when you create this kind of an event with high voltages, is in this donut shaped event, you have the ions that are not only moving around the perimeter of this donut shape, but they’re also moving in and out, precessing around the perimeter of this donut shape.

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And they create a powerful electromagnetic field.

So what you have in this device is an electoral discharge that creates what amounts to a smoke ring of ions that shoot down through the column. The outer edges are basically stroking through the whiskers of this electrode and giving off all the power that’s essentially being drawn out of the vacuum of space-time.

And that’s how they’re drawing the zero point energy out of the vacuum – is with this system.

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David: Well, that’s remarkably technical. And all kinds of lights are flashing in my head as we listen to him say these things, because you are one of the people who’ve mentioned a mercury-based propulsion system.

But given how many specifics he said, and that you’ve never actually spoken to him before, how much truth is there in what he’s saying based on what you know here?

Corey: He’s explaining it way better than I ever could. And they . . . I guess in the beginning, we tried using mercury, but they have engineered other gallium metals that are basically liquid metals that conduct electricity much better, and when being exposed to high electrical fields, don’t turn to gold, which is what was occurring when we were trying to use mercury. And I’ve talked about that in depth in the past.

David: So the essential idea that there is a crystalline-looking tube or waveguide in the middle, and that the mercury or whatever liquid metal is spinning is inside that central tube, and that there’s this counter-rotating smaller vortexes outside the larger one, all of that seems true?

Corey: Yes, it’s . . . And the donut shapes that go down or up depending on the polarity of . . . that its’ . . . which way the plates are spinning. The liquid travels up and then down through the tube and back down through the system.

David: When you say donut shape, are you saying it’s a donut vortex in the liquid that you see?

Corey: Yes, it’s like a . . . You can see them going up, you know, one after another. And they’re spaced out perfectly from each other.

David: When he says ball lightning is formed in the center, does that mean there’s some sort of visible, glowing sphere in the center of the tube, or . . .

Corey: He was saying something akin to ball lightning. He was describing these donut-shaped vortices that were coming up.

David: Oh. So do they have a luminosity to them, a light?

Corey: No, it looked like liquid . . . just looked like liquid metal being pushed around with eddies of the same liquid metal within it. You could tell different vortexes.

David: Now, this event that this woman had was being described as an extraterrestrial abduction. Do you think, in light of what we now know, that this might have been from the space program using programmable lifeforms and that sort of thing, given how similar it is to sort of like a more advanced version of the German technology you’ve described?

Corey: This sounds nonterrestrial to me. A lot of . . . He was describing we had like 9-foot plates, that they had 11-inch plates that would suffice or do the same function, perform the same function.

David: Right.

Corey: And it has to do with how much more advanced they are than us in the material sciences. So they can create a superconductive plate that puts out or handles the same amount of electricity as we do, but they can do it with a much smaller surface area.

David: Why do you think he said there were some black flecks in this material? Wouldn’t the material conduct the best if it was a uniform substance or could there be that maybe it levels out the charge with certain particles in certain places by having them distributed like that? What do you think?

Corey: Yeah, that would be a good explanation, that it helps distribute the charge.

David: How common is it for extraterrestrial groups to use this sort of waveguide and liquid metal type of propulsion system where the waveguide is like a tube that you can actually see in the middle of the craft?

Corey: I believe that is fairly common. And it’s one of the methods that some of the less advanced groups use. There are much more advanced temporal drives and other types of propulsion systems that are much more advanced than this.

But when you have nonterrestrials . . . When you think of nonterrestrials in the universe, they’re at different levels of technological development themselves.

And it is also not unusual to hear about an abductee getting a tour. I’ve read information about them getting tours, being shown equipment, being shown star maps, being given other information. So that’s not unusual either.

David: All right. Next up we have Mark McCandlish talking about a very unusual crash story. Let’s check it out.

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ADVANCED CRAFT RETRIEVAL

Mark McCandlish: I was at a little web cafe or Internet cafe using a computer because my computer had been hacked, so I was borrowing their computer.

And I’m busy checking my email, and off to the side I can hear this conversation going on between two people who are talking about magnetic ferrofluids – oil-based fluids. They have lots of metallic particles that react to magnetism because they have iron.

And they were speculating about whether it had anything to do with a propulsion system.

And so my ear, my attention kind of picked up a little bit. And the guy was talking about a crash in a vehicle, and I was all, “What are you guys talking about?”

“Oh, we can’t talk about it.”

I said, “Well, okay, let me tell you what I know, and then if you think that it’s interesting enough for you, you can tell me what you know.”

Well, one of these two guys had been in the Army. He was . . . Apparently, he had been part of a crew, a group, a unit, that had just been formed. It wasn’t even on the books, yet.

And it turns out later that’s how I found out this is how they conduct a lot of these classified operations is that they create a unit, but before it’s ever on the books, before it ever becomes part of the historical record, there are already people operating in that unit. They go out and perform a mission, maybe a couple of missions, and then afterwards, then everything’s on the books in terms of the existence of the unit.

But prior to that time, there’s no access by the Freedom of Information Act at all, because it officially never existed. And that’s what this unit was.

And right at the end of the Cold War, as the Soviet Union was collapsing, and there was a lot of talk of the reunification of East and West Germany, there were double agents – people working for the United States intelligence community that were inside the East German government.

And the assignment that this young man was a part of was to go in, do an insertion into East Germany – you know, all nap-of-the-earth, below the radar, literally – and to collect some of the people that were operating on the inside as double agents because they were really worried that these people might be killed once the government started to collapse.

And they were in the midst of that mission – going to a pickup point to collect one of these individuals – when they were redirected to this crash site.

The vehicle itself . . . And I don’t know what the vehicle’s called, but I can describe it for you.

Imagine a big, black arrowhead with the blunt end here [leaving one hand by his face] and the long pointy end over here [his other hand is stretched out about two feet].

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Except that when this thing flew through the air, it flew with the blunt end forward.

It had a cockpit that looked an awful lot like the cockpit on the F-117A stealth fighter with the little sawtooth edges around the windows. And the edge of the canopy had the same kind of sawtooth cutting in the architecture of the vehicle.

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If viewed from head on, it would look like a triangle. From the side, it would look like a pyramid that had been stretched out on one of its three corners.

And then under each of the front corners was about a 2½, or maybe about 24~30” diameter white sphere embedded up in the body of the vehicle at each corner in the front.

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And then about 2/3rds of the way back, on the long point end, there was a third sphere.

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The spheres were held in place by a three pronged clasp, almost like the setting of a pearl in a ring, that was silver, that looked as though it could be articulated and pointed in different directions for perhaps steering control of the vehicle.

By the time he arrived, as part of this salvage operation, there were a couple of technicians with white lab coats, the whole nine yards, taking important components out of the cockpit. They were taking components out, and those were being carried away to somewhere else.

The vehicle had crashed because the pilot was flying some kind of a surveillance mission, was flying nap-of-the-earth using this system, came up through a valley about 10 kilometers southwest of the city of Halle, H-A-L-L-E, in East Germany.

And he came up over a ridge, and he clipped the top of a large pine tree with the left front corner of the vehicle and basically sheared off the corner, crushed the sphere that was at that corner.

And the vehicle immediately began to dive to the left and downward because of the loss of that support, whatever the propulsive mechanism was.

And so in an attempt to not crash, he tried to bank it as far to the right as he could, and he pulled the nose up, and it impacted the hill side anyway. It hit tail first.

And when it did . . . When it hit tail first, it cracked open the structure of the fuselage where that third sphere was in the long pointy end.

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And that sphere basically began floating off and was floating around the hill side when they arrived.

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And the three-pronged retainer had come off, but the sphere itself was pretty much intact. He described it as looking like a white, ceramic pumpkin with the vertical striations like you’d see in a pumpkin.

But then each of the individual striations had a scalloping, almost like the terracotta tiles on a missionary-style piece of architecture.

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So it had this kind of . . . And it looked like the shape was designed to create turbulence patterns on the inside of the vessel.

At the very top was an electrical carry through, metal in color, like a brushed aluminum color, with a number of wires coming out of it.

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Now, he described this thing as sort of bobbing around, just a few inches above the surface of the ground, and every once in a while, it would begin to spin rapidly and sort of bobbing around.

And it would get a little bit higher off the ground, and then there’d be an electrical discharge between a couple of the wires coming out of this thing, and then it would sort of calm down and settle down again.

And so they were tasked with capturing this sphere. And the object would periodically make this little bit energetic dance, and so they had to kind of time it so they captured it at a moment where it wasn’t too energized.

And they had one of these large, utility-yellow, aluminum carrying cases the military is notorious for using, with a piano hinge along one side and the turnbuckles on the other. You know, you bring it together and lock it up real tight.

And so when they walked up with this thing like this [Mark has the backs of his hands together and his hands spread out] to try and close around it, and the aluminum was apparently reflecting a magnetic field that was created by this object.

And so when they would try to approach it, it would just sort of wander away. It would be repelled by the aluminum.

So then what they came up with is they took the lid off of this thing by undoing the . . . sliding the piano hinge and disengaging the pins. They slid the lid underneath this thing. And then they brought the bottom half of the case down over the top of it, engaged the hinge, closed the turnbuckles, and then they let go of the case.

And the case went “poof” [turning his hand up straight indicating fast movement] and stood up on end like a gravestone. It was really spooky from what they said.

But they brought in – and this is really pretty fantastic – they brought in a CH53 Super Stallion with a very long – at least a 100′ long – synthetic lanyard that they hooked this container on.

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Apparently, it was so powerful in terms of the magnetic fields it was producing, they were worried that it was going to screw up the avionics on the helicopter, and they booked out of there.

There were Navy SEALs with pea coats, the nightwatchman cap. They had the M-16s with the under and over grenade launchers.

They had two Cobra helicopters, fully armed with the missiles and the whole nine yards, orbiting the site.

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And they collected as much debris as they could. It was carried off to a vehicle that was on a roadway not too far away.

And then they put thermite grenades into what was left of the fuselage and burned it down to nothing.

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David: I didn’t even realize that anybody had ever gotten such a close description of what you call a Dart. How close does that look to what you’ve been saying you were getting picked up with at your house?

Corey: Well, we’ve recently had an image of the Dart produced.

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David: This is an astonishing connection. Just . . . They’re so similar in how they look that I’m wondering if there are any differences, or if it’s just that maybe your illustrator didn’t quite have the ability to capture every nuance.

Corey: He didn’t catch every nuance, but it is very close. This sounds like an early precursor to what we’re calling the Dart now, . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . because it has a crew – the crew cabin – there are for two people. There are seats for two people.

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And in the back, there are seats for three people.

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David: Right.

Corey: And no real . . .

David: In the Dart that you were on?

Corey: In the Dart that I was on.

David: Right.

Corey: And there were also these red or maroon like domes, three of them that hang from the bottom. And I had wondered why when I’d asked, what’s – it was small – what propels the craft? What makes it work? And they would tell me that they have disco balls in them.

David: Ha, ha.

Corey: And I thought they were just screwing with me, but after seeing this orb that was floating around and how it was described, that could be very well what they were referring to.

David: Wow!

Corey: And that just hit me when I was watching that footage.

David: So even for you, you’re getting surprised and learning some new things here.

Corey: Yes. And how he described from the front and the top, it looks like a triangle, and I had described it looks like a pyramid. It’s built up like a pyramid from the side. That’s exactly how it looks.

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David: Do you think that the Dart will be one of the more commonly used craft in a post-disclosure world, that we will see a lot of these?

Corey: Different variations of it, yes.

David: One of the things I noticed that happened while we were watching this is that you had visible shock, or at least surprise, when he was describing Germany before the collapse of the Berlin Wall, and the idea that an American helicopter would have been able to go in there to do a crash retrieval operation.

So what was your reaction based on here?

Corey: I think that pretty much proves collaboration at the highest levels between the Soviet Union and the West during that time.

David: Ah!

Corey: Because there is . . . Anyone that lived during that time period would know that there is no way we’d be able to fly, especially air assets, into East Germany during that time period. They would be taken down quickly.

They had air defenses everywhere. It would have been . . . I think it would have been impossible to get air assets in there without collaboration between the United States and the Soviet Union up on the top level, where the Secret Space Program is being discussed.

David: One of my original insiders described having to transport 26 boxes of highly sensitive documents for a friend of his who was a high level Mason. And they had to do it very quickly in one night because there was a security breach.

And as a gratuity for risking his life to do this, he was able to open one of the boxes. And what he said, among several fascinating things that I’ve talked about before, is that he saw a document that was from the United States that apparently was given to every country in the world.

And they were told, “If a UFO crashes in your country, let us handle it because biological material could come out, radioactivity could come out, all these kind of things.”

Do you think that that document is, in fact, true? And do you think that this is something that the U.S. generally handles wherever it happens?

Corey: The U.S. handles it, but the Soviets also have a great response group. I believe we called it . . . At least in the Army, it was called Pounce, Operation Pounce. For any foreign materials that would fall to Earth, they would go and recover them.

So the Americans would go in and recover materials in foreign countries. And usually the foreign countries would let us know, not just because they were scared and took our word for it, but there had been incidents, such as in Mexico. In the Zone of Silence, there was a UFO that crashed and they sent in American Pounce teams in full NBC gear to recover the craft. And when they did, there were, I believe, Mexican military that had died from exposure to the technology.

David: Now, you mentioned one of the five factions of the space program was the Global Galactic League of Nations. Do you think that the world leaders who are essentially told at gunpoint to give up these very valuable artifacts crashing in their country, that them being taken up to some kind of space base, is like a gratuity to keep them quiet, keep them happy, like they’re inside something?

Corey: Yes, that’s why that particular program was set up was to give other countries that know about the space program a seat at the table and also a way to keep them quiet about it, keep them from announcing it.

David: All right. Well, that’s all the time we have for in this episode. It’s absolutely fascinating stuff. Every hair on my arms was standing up when I saw that image of the Dart pop in front of me just now.

And Corey, you just nodded your head.

Corey: Yeah.

David: So it’s really astonishing to work on this for so many years and to see completely isolated sources give you almost exactly the same stuff. That’s where real disclosure starts to happen.

And it only happens right here on “Cosmic Disclosure”, bringing you the tip of the spear for Full Disclosure. Thanks for watching, and we’ll see you next time.

Cosmic Disclosure: Boyd Bushman’s Deathbed Testimonial

Source: Sphere Being Alliance

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock. I’m here with Corey Goode, our insider’s insider. And in this episode, we have some rare footage from a now deceased insider from Lockheed Martin, none other than Boyd Bushman.

So, Corey, welcome to the show.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: All right. So here’s our first excerpt of an interview that we did not shoot with Boyd Bushman, but is public domain, fair use on the Internet. And given the importance and what we talk about on this show, it’s well worth watching. Let’s check it out.

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MEET BOYD

Boyd Bushman: My name is Boyd Bushman. I’m a senior scientist from Lockheed Martin. I have 27 patents.

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Approximately 13 years ago, I ran across a person who had been given a job by Dr. Teller.

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Dr. Teller was Oppenheimer’s right-hand man.

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And even after Oppenheimer was thrown out of Area 51, Dr. Teller stayed there and was in charge of several programs.

The person that I contact twice to three times per month is the head of that program now, and they continually update me on everything they possibly can. I do have a top secret clearance.

I choose, however, for their purposes, not to use it because they – the intelligent ones of me and me – actually believe that a great deal of information should be lifted up from those dark recesses of Area 51 and moved over so people can see it.

So that’s what began about 13 years ago.

Since I am a scientist, I do not believe in theory. I basically, say, “Follow the data; theory be damned.” If something can’t verify by a physical test that something is true, then I do not care to accept it in that [information] that I present.

Therefore, everything we present here will be data that comes directly from them, through me, to you.

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David: He’s talking about the idea that Teller was working with a group of insiders and that they now want to disclose the truth. So is this something that happens fairly often in these classified programs, that people actually do want to get the information out?

Corey: Yes, it’s fairly common. And whoever is doing security of these groups know that. They’ve done personality profiles on these people. They watch them very closely. They’re watching for body language, different micro facial expressions. They’re watching them very closely to know whether they need to step in.

So a lot of the times, these guys will usually have these conversations, you know, at a Sunday cookout and sit around and talk about it instead of talking about it at work.

And eventually, they end up getting found out, for the most part. It’s very rare that they don’t find out that they’re talking about it “outside of the office”, as they say.

David: He said in there, “I have a top secret clearance, but I don’t choose to use it.” What do you think he meant by that?

Corey: If you go in and work under a top security clearance, you’re bound, legally, by everything you agreed to when you signed the agreement for the security clearance.

So if he’s trying to work, he’s trying to skirt the security clearance and any retributions that may happen legally or with his pension. So he’s playing kind of a little game.

David: Now, when this interview came out, as I’m sure you remember, it lit up even the mainstream media like a wildfire. There were a lot of articles that were written about this, covering this guy.

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So that, to me, suggests that he is not working as some rogue, but that what he’s doing here was perhaps part of an orchestrated plan. Do you think that’s true?

Corey: Well, it very well could be, because the groups that I was describing prior, the ones that don’t get caught, are the ones that find like-minded people in security that turn a blind eye to the talk.

These are the types of people that really got this SSP Alliance rolling.

David: Right.

Corey: You know? That’s how it got rolling.

David: What would be the objective of articles about this man and what he’s going to say as we go through this episode, being released to the public?

He does seem to have the credibility. He says he works for Lockheed. We’re going to see some pictures of extraterrestrials, allegedly.

What would be the ultimate endgame of promoting these videos and his testimony in front of the whole world?

Corey: Well, the Alliance anyway, and as well as the – whoever we want to name – the shadow government, they’ve been seeding the consciousness of humanity through movies and, you know, comic books, people giving deathbed statements like this.

So they kind of want to – in a way that they can distance themselves from or deny – deliver this information in bits and pieces to our subconscious.

David: He said that he worked for Lockheed, and he has 27 patents.

Corey: That should be easy to verify, unless they’re . . .

David: That’s what I’m thinking.

Corey: . . . one of the 5,700 classified patents.

David: Now, the reason why I bring this up is, can you verify that these patents might be held under national security, and therefore we might not be able to find them because they could be classified technology?

Or might there be enough things Lockheed is doing that are unclassified that at least some of those patents could be tracked down?

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Corey: Yeah. A good deal of their patents are unclassified, but the most sensitive ones end up being among that 5,700 or so patents that are classified to this day.

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David: So then, if someone is trying to fact-check this, they might find some patents. They might not find all 27, but it’s likely that at least some of these should be able to be tracked down.

Corey: Yes.

David: Many of these insiders, such as William Tompkins, and people he’s spoken to, are told that, “Oh, just calm down. You know, the things that you’re working on, we’re going to release it in 10 years.”

Then 10 years go by, nothing happens.

How does that influence what we’re seeing now with this guy coming forward, when he’s been told by the doctor that he might only have weeks to live?

Corey: Well, that is very common, telling them “a decade – it’s a decade away”. That was told to a lot of people in the programs that I was in.

David: Really?

Corey: A lot of them who had a conscience wanted to know when is this information going to be given to the public? And they also wanted credit for what they’ve been doing. They want the public to know what they’ve been doing.

David: Sure.

Corey: And they were told that, “You’ll be a hero someday. Everyone will know 10 years from now.” And they keep kicking the can, and a lot of these people become very disillusioned and become ripe to become members of the Alliance.

David: How is the Alliance able to contact people in this position without getting outed if there’s so much surveillance? How are they able to do it?

Corey: It’s usually people that are friendly within the security apparatus of these different groups. That’s usually . . . If you want to start some sort of subversion, you need to first infiltrate security or police.

David: So you’re saying it would then happen as a verbal conversation with, like, somebody who’s allegedly a security guard?

Corey: Oh, yeah. Only mouth to mouth. You know, mouth to ear, mouth to ear.

David: Is it possible for people to send letters to each other? I heard recently, that the U.S. post offices, they might not read your letters, but they are now scanning everybody’s mail and seeing who you’re sending mail to.

Corey: No, it’s not advised to have anything in writing. You know . . .

David: Really?

Corey: Yeah. You pass information down the chain, which can be unreliable, kind of like the telephone game. It goes through different people’s filters, and then they kind of tweak it a little bit, but you don’t want to have anything written.

David: When we were talking before the show about some of the validation that’s now showed up recently for Boyd Bushman, it seems that it comes out of this Vault 7 leak recently that took place.

So for those who have not been actively paying attention to that, since it did seem to go by pretty fast in the media, could you explain for us what the Vault 7 story is and how it relates to Disclosure?

Corey: Yes. Vault 7 was a data dump done by WikiLeaks on the CIA.

David: And my understanding is that there’s 8,700 documents in this Vault 7.

Corey: That’s a very large dump.

David: Yeah. The thing that shocked me the most was when WikiLeaks came out with this and said that 99% of the stories that there are to be found in there have not yet been made public. And we had Drudge Report calling this another Snowden.

What would be the purpose of releasing information from classified CIA documents? And how does that relate to Disclosure?

Corey: They released a lot of names in this Vault 7 data dump, and a lot of these names are people that are civilians who have been tracked by the CIA.

David: So Boyd Bushman is in the Vault 7 leaks.

Corey: Yes.

David: And they were watching him and keeping him under surveillance.

Corey: This was a list of civilians who have been surveilled by the CIA.

David: If the NSA is our National Security Agency, which is really national surveillance agency, and that’s what they do, why the heck does the CIA need to be doing the exact same stuff but under their own umbrella? That’s not going to make sense to most people.

Corey: A lot of these organizations are not completely connected when it comes to data. They’re not necessarily all pulling from the same haystack.

They’ll have their own haystacks of information. And it is redundant, but these groups aren’t fully . . . These groups aren’t fully sharing between each other. They go through kind of a committee to share information with each other.

David: One of the things that just came out about Vault 7 was a leak from the highest levels that no one is allowed to work with each other in the CIA for more than three years because they’re so worried about individual people on a team starting to form their own little factions.

Corey: Collusion, yes.

David: Do you think that’s partly the Alliance and how they’re trying to stop the Alliance from being able to grow?

Corey: That’s how they’re trying to prevent any type of coordinated effort against them.

David: Exactly. All right. Now, let’s see the next very interesting piece of the interview done with Boyd Bushman, his deathbed confessional, Lockheed Martin insider. Check it out.

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ALIENS ARE REAL

Boyd Bushman: I asked them to tell me about who was flying these things. He, therefore, said, “Fine. They’re approximately 5′, 4½’ to 5′ tall.”

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They had one or two of them around that were 230 years old. And we have a total of at least 18 that exist and operate with our facility as Teller set it up.

And notice the eyes are different, nose are different, but they do have five fingers, five toes, two eyes.

And rather strangely enough, I asked him how they communicate. He says, “Well, it’s like this, Boyd. You all of a sudden have a question in your mind. You walk into a room with one of them, and all of a sudden, you find yourself giving the answer to your question in your own voice. They’re able to use your own voice by telepathy to talk to you.”

And I said, “Fine.”

Now, that’s how they look from front, but when you turn around and look at the back, it’s like that.

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Now, notice that they have three back bones. They’re actually cartilage. Nevertheless, it’s a much more efficient system than ours.

They also have three ribs in their system, rather than more. This is also the back side of an alien.

Here’s a 45° look.

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And, now when we talk about aliens, I pushed the issue, and he said, “Well, there’s kind of two groups of aliens.” They divided them into two groups. One group he calls . . . it’s like you have a ranch. And you have a ranch, and you find that one group are your wranglers that know how to wrangle your cattle.

There are others who are rustlers, ones that steal your cattle.

And indeed, the two groups do act differently. The ones that are wranglers are much more friendly and have a better relationship with us.

Here’s the other side of the alien, too.

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Now, also notice that their feet, where they have five toes, the toes are joined together like a frog, yet they are dissimilar.

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And this is the home planet that they come from, which they call Quintumnia.

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And notice that the hand . . . that’s an alien hand.

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Notice that the fingers are longer than ours by quite a bit, about 30% longer, and that’s just the way they’re put together.

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David: Well obviously, there’s a lot of very interesting stuff we can talk about in this one excerpt alone.

One of the things that he said, that I think even the people writing the articles didn’t really catch, was he mentioned the number 18.

And it sounded to me very much like when he said that there were at least 18, that he was talking about different types of extraterrestrials.

That’s a much smaller number than what you were aware of. However, would someone maybe just working as an engineer for Lockheed only be given a number around that size as part of this compartmentalized security?

Corey: Yes. And he most likely found out about the majority of them towards the end of the time he spent as an engineer or after.

They usually let you know of three, maybe eight, different types, depending on what technology you’re reverse engineering, what technology you’re studying.

They’re not going to let you know more than you “need to know”.

David: Let’s just say that one of those guys is watching our show, and maybe you can show him that there might be more than he thinks he knows. So what might those three to eight groups be? What would he have been told, necessarily?

I mean, they could change but . . .

Corey: Oh, yeah, it could change. Some of them know about Reptilians, but some of them don’t.

David: Okay.

Corey: It’s interesting. Some of them have been told about this Eben-type group.

David: Okay. Which would be what?

Corey: Some people associate them with the Greys, but they look very fleshy. They’re bipedal, fleshy beings. You know, their eyeballs aren’t black unless they have lenses in.

Then you have these Nordic groups.

David: Okay.

Corey: Mostly, they’ll know about that, or the Tall Whites. But for the most part, they’ll know about those. And some of them seem to know about the Reptilians, but some of them don’t.

David: Now, there’s going to be controversy right up front with the Boyd Bushman stuff because all these kids on the Internet thought that they win the Nobel Prize for discovering that this ET picture that he’s holding up was actually just a photo of a toy from Walmart.

Corey: Right.

David: The toy from 2008 looks exactly the same as the pictures that he’s holding up now.

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So many people on the Internet have tried to – as the skeptical debunkers – think that this guy literally just took a toy and took pictures of it. How do you answer that?

Corey: There is the possibility that this toy was released in a limited edition to preempt any disclosures of this type of alien.

Now, I’ve mentioned to you in private, I believe, that I’ve seen these types of beings, and I’ve seen them alive.

David: Right.

Corey: And they were referred to as “Oranges”. And when they were alive, their skin color was sort of carrot-colored, but it was darker – carrot-colored with a little brownish, I guess. But they called them “Oranges”.

And they were very positive beings. When they’re alive, if you’ve ever had a pet bird or seen a bird that has died, their eyes recess into their head quite a bit.

David: Right.

Corey: And when they’re alive, their eyes are out from the head. And then the little wrinkly areas under the eyes and above their eyes, they’re very, very . . . in the eyes, the energy’s very pleasant.

David: Mmm.

Corey: And their eyes articulate around quite a bit, and you see the wrinkles that go under the eyes and around the eyes push out and move around as the eyes are kind of out from the head a little bit – barely.

David: So you’re saying that the Orange has a much different look when it’s alive than what this desiccated corpse is.

Corey: Right. They have been here to try to assist us. I guess they would be one of the wranglers.

David: That he mentioned.

Corey: That he mentioned. They’ve been here trying to help manage us, manage the planet, you know, sort of like watchers.

David: Some people who are not very well informed would say that any type of ET that looks like this is a Grey, and that it is abducting people and torturing them and putting probes in them and implants in them. How do you answer that in terms of what you’re saying these guys are doing?

Corey: Well, there are a number of beings out there that have loosely the same description as these Greys.

David: Right.

Corey: So there’s a lot of confusion. You know, there’s even a Reptilian-type species that has the same body configuration and sort of look that these Greys have.

And in the rehab, the people that had had contact with these beings, the military would reabduct them, and a lot of times the people would tell them that they were Greys because they had seen so many different TV shows, and they’ve seen that outline image of the Grey so many times that they try to connect them all together because they look similar.

David: You also mentioned that guys at a lower level of security clearance, who were still nonetheless Top Secret, would be told about Nordics. We’ve discussed Nordics living inside the Earth.

What would the typical boiler plate, lower level disclosure of Nordics involve? What would they be told they are? Where do they come from? What are they doing?

Corey: Well, not all Nordic beings come from Inner Earth.

David: Right.

Corey: Some of them actually come from other stars and have been in a millennial-long battle with the Reptilians and have had skirmishes with other beings and civilizations, as well.

There has been a galactic war – if not intergalactic war – that’s ebbed and flowed and happened in history, way back before humanity even existed.

David: So that material science guy working at Lockheed Martin, working on surface texture, whatever, that kind of stuff, okay, what is he told about Nordics based on what you just said? How much might he know?

Corey: It just depends on his need to know. Whatever technology he’s working on, he only needs to know what he needs to know to interface with the beings or to know that it’s associated with a certain being, to have an idea of what type of approach was taken to the technology development on their planet.

Other than that, unless he’s worked multiple programs and got to know of multiple ETs, he’s just going to know of what they tell him for what he needs to know on his job.

David: He mentioned something about cartilage being the way that the bones are made, and that they only had three ribs, and that there was an unusual structure in their back.

Are there some ETs that have more of a cartilage skeleton instead of a bones skeleton like ours?

Corey: Yes, a cartilage-like skeleton, but a lot of them are not . . . the whole skeleton is not cartilage. They just have features. Like we have cartilage in our nose.

David: Right.

Corey: They might have different protrusions or other things that are something similar that was a part of whatever they were before they evolved, like the webbed fingers.

David: Now, he mentioned something strange about telepathy, which was that not only do you experience telepathic communication as soon as you walk into the room with these beings, but that you hear it as if it was your own voice speaking to you.

What are your thoughts on that?

Corey: That’s exactly how it occurs. And it’ll make you wonder when you’re having ideas and thoughts, where are they coming from? You know, it could be another source outside of yourself.

But, yes, the communications I have, everyone has that one voice that they sort of process hearing in their internal monologue. That’s the same voice you hear them communicating with you.

And you also get images, smells, tastes, depending on the being.

David: He also mentioned that these beings had a planet of origin that he called Quintumnia. I’m curious if you ever got into enough of a dialogue with these Oranges, as you called them, to hear anything like that, or if there are, in fact, names of planet and things like this that pop up sometimes.

Corey: Yes. They will give names of their planet, which is obviously from their location. It’s not some sort of English translation of where they’re from. This very well could be the name that they have given to their planet. That’s the first time I’ve heard it.

David: So if he’s saying that he was made aware in briefings, it appears that he was made aware of 18 groups at least, and he’s saying that they neatly divide into two major categories.

Category one: wranglers. Category number two: rustlers, which would actually be those who steal your cattle.

Corey: Right.

David: This sounds an awful lot like the galactic slave trade you’ve mentioned. So I’m curious about your thoughts when you saw that part of the video.

Corey: That’s correct. And during the time that he was getting his briefings, most likely a lot of that was going on heavily before we had developed the Secret Space Program far along enough to where we could, I guess, warden – Solar Warden – our own territory.

But yes, they would come in and scoop people all the time, and then shoot out of our Solar System real quickly. And even the nonterrestrials that were monitoring things, it sometimes would happen so fast that they couldn’t respond.

David: How long do you think people in the United States’ defense establishment were aware of this going on before they had the technological means to stop it?

Corey: They’ve been . . . Since the inception of an intelligence community, they’ve known.

David: And when did they gain the capability to stop this from happening?

Corey: That would have been probably in the early ’80s that they would have been able to show enough force to stop it from occurring consistently.

David: All right, our next section of Boyd Bushman’s interview is coming up right now with a lot more fascinating information. Let’s take a look.

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AREA 51

Boyd Bushman: I do, because of some very good reasons, keep things within control, but I don’t want us all behind the Russians and Chinese. And the problem I have is that Area 51 is working with both the Russians and Chinese right now trying to make UFOs.

There’s been a total of 39 United States citizens that have lost their lives, trying to reverse engineer UFOs.

And, well, the last one I heard of was a year and a half ago, where we lost 19 lives in one test. They actually wanted to bring various flying craft near the UFO, and the UFO defended itself, and 19 of our people died.

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David: How do you think it would have felt to somebody like Boyd Bushman, working probably during the Cold War obviously, and then knowing that Russians and Chinese are actually jointly working with the US at Area 51?

Corey: The people that were fighting the Cold War, so to speak, were heavily indoctrinated in the anti-Russia mentality. That’s what drove them in doing their engineering was keeping America safe from any type of nuclear exchange with Russia.

David: Well, China wasn’t as much of a . . . It wasn’t considered as much of a threat in the ’80s as it is now, but why would China be at Area 51? What’s really going on here?

Corey: We got to a certain point in our Secret Space Program to where we couldn’t hide it from the other technologically evolved nations. They were tracking us.

So not only did we have this Global Galactic League of Nations that was set up, but in . . . I can’t remember the time period, but I think it was in the ’90s, some sort of an agreement was signed between these powers that they would share technology.

They’re exchanging scientists to make sure there’s a continuity of technical information going to all of the different groups. It assures that they’re all sharing what they have.

David: What would the purpose be for apparently being in a nuclear showdown with Russia in the world but then very nicely collaborating with them at Area 51? Why would there be such a division?

Corey: Well, the collaboration with the Russians during the height of the Cold War openly in these bases was . . . you didn’t see it that much. It was towards the end of the Cold War, most of it after the Cold War, when we started making agreements with China and Russia and India and some of these other groups.

And we also have people from India and a couple of other nations that we work closely with and share technology with, because we found out that they were getting pretty far in their development, as well.

So sharing this information is also a way of managing it if you have agreements between all of these different nations.

David: Now, he mentioned 39 people losing their lives in the course of working on UFOs, but then he also said 19 people died when they flew with conventional flying craft towards a UFO in the sky, and it apparently defended itself.

Let’s break these things down. So, first of all, the number 39, based on all the stuff that is really known, seems very, very small.

Corey: He could have been just quickly passing over without giving much detail. It could have been 39 Lockheed employees that have worked on these programs that he knows about.

David: Right. Wouldn’t you think, though, that the total number of people who lost their lives trying to back engineer UFOs would be a lot higher than 39?

Corey: Absolutely. There have just . . . We’ve lost a lot of lives just retrieving the craft before we’re able to begin reverse engineering them.

David: Wow!

Corey: So, yeah. Lots of lives have been lost retrieving them, reverse engineering them. And then we have back during the German Secret Space Program when they developed it, we had a lot of Germans dying in the process, a lot of scientists dying producing these technologies, not to mention all of the slave labor they had.

David: All right. In our final section of the interview footage from Boyd Bushman, we have a very interesting Roswell-like incident that he tells us about.

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BATTLE OVER NEW MEXICO

Boyd Bushman: Turned out to be a doctor. He was a very, very fine gentleman, and I was carrying on a conversation with him. He saw how the subject was going, so he simply said, “Well, you need to know what I did one day.”

And I said, “Okay.”

He said, “I was in the process of doctoring a pilot who was a test pilot, Navy test pilot, for the United States government, and it was 1947.”

He basically told me that he was . . . that “they, the radar group, had found a blip out over New Mexico, and that they would like to assign me to go out and check it out.”

So he says, “Fine. I’ll do that.” And he got the fastest airplane that existed then, which was a propeller at that time. And it was fully armed and all the rest of those things.

He was out flying, and he found the item, and he immediately communicated back, and he said, “I wish authority . . . First of all, I want you to tell me, are there any other airplanes flying? Are there commercial or anything else around other than he and I?”

They said, “Just the two of you.”

And he said, “Fine. Second thing I wanted to know is do I have authority to shoot it down?”

They said, “Why do you want authority to shoot it down?”

He says, “Because I am flying the fastest thing that the United States can make, and he’s beginning to leave me. Therefore, I know he’s either a friend or an enemy, and if he’s leaving me, he’s an enemy. Therefore, I wish authority to shoot it down.”

The commander said, “Fine.” He granted him authority.

He pulled in. He shot him down. It came down.

He flew past and saw that there was a road on the one side of the fenced area. He came down and landed his airplane. Hard to do, but he did. And then he cut across the fence.

One of them . . . The door was open. One of them was out, walking around, but he didn’t care about that. He cared about what the vehicle was.

So he went over, and rather strangely enough, when he ducked down – because they’re only 5′ high – he saw that he could see through the walls. Not only that, but as he stepped in, the floor was spongy.

He look at the three that were there, and they were dead. He knew they were. He’d killed them. But he also knew that the military would come, and he’d put up with those guys for a long time.

So he went over, went back across the barbed wire fence, got in his airplane and took off.

When I got up with my contacts in Area 51, I brought up that story, and they said, “Well, that’s totally true, but we can’t say it. You can.”

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David: All right. So this is clearly a story that gives us detail into the fact that there are vulnerabilities to these ETs. They are not necessarily like the Battle of Los Angeles, where this thing’s got a shield around itself as our military is firing at it and nothing seems to have happened to it.

Some of these craft, apparently, can be shot down. Is that, in fact, true?

Corey: Yes. And if you catch them at different stages in their flight – and I don’t know what those stages are – they are vulnerable to high energy, disruptive weapons. Like they said, the radar may have taken down the Roswell craft.

So a lot of these can be taken down with high energy weapons. It’s rare that you hear of them taken down with a kinetic weapon.

I don’t know if a missile was used. It sounds like it might have been hot lead that took them down.

David: Right.

Corey: So that would be a very rare occasion. I would be speculating why they were able to not only get that close to get within range of this craft to be able to shoot without them taking evasive maneuvers.

So I’d have to speculate what was going on at the time with the nonterrestrial craft.

David: He mentioned when he went inside the craft that the wall became transparent, and you could see all around. Is that a normal thing for one of these?

Corey: Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That is very common. You will see no windows, but everywhere from inside a craft, you can see. It looks like there are no panels at all, like you’re just looking out through an open area.

David: Is it common for stories like this to get passed around, like scuttlebutt in maybe cafeterias, and this kind of stuff?

Corey: That’s usually after a couple of beers in a bar that they feel comfortable talking about that. Usually beer is involved.

David: Ha, ha, ha. All right. Well, that’s all the time we have for in this episode, giving you a unique insight into Boyd Bushman, who was widely publicized in the media with this unique testimony, clearly intended to be part of an ongoing disclosure to bring us the truth.

I’m David Wilcock here with Corey Goode, and we thank you for watching.

COSMIC DISCLOSURE: ANTARCTICA: THE NEW AREA 51

Source: Sphere Being Alliance

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host,David Wilcock. I’m here with Corey Goode. Corey, welcome to the show.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: Everybody is talking about Antarctica, and your information is that there is a very interesting new finding or series of findings down there, and the more that this goes on, the more you’ve learned.

So tell us what’s new in this whole Antarctica story that we haven’t already been covering?

Corey: Well, some of the newest information that I received is information that’s going to make some of the military-industrial complex a little nervous.

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It turns out that during the 1950s, there was a project called Project Ice Worm, and they were basically in icecaps building launch silos.

This particular one that we have video of occurred in Greenland. Now what’s significant about this is that they’ve used this method of creating under-ice bases all through Antarctica.

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They’ve created mini-bases, but much larger, that have become R&D bases. And these research and development bases are where companies like Lockheed Martin are doing reverse engineering of a lot of the technology they have found under the ice.

This is also how they built some of the early Moon bases and Mars bases – very similar – in a very similar fashion.

David: So you’re saying that Lockheed Martin and other groups have bases in Antarctica that are more extensive than what we were led to believe or what you were led to believe in earlier briefings?

Corey: Correct, but what’s significant about talking about this publicly is that, I believe in 1959, an Antarctic Treaty was signed.

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And in that treaty it was stated that no weapons of war would be developed or used on that continent.

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It would be used for peaceful purposes only.

David: Yeah, there actually was something called International Geophysical Year 1959, IGY 1959, and that was when all these things were codified.

Corey: Correct.

David: And that’s also when they mapped out what Antarctica looked like under the ice, and you found out that there is a continent with land down there.

Corey: Right, twice the size of the continental United States.

David: Right. So if they are developing weapons systems that contravene an international treaty that’s been in place for over 50 years, how does that affect people’s perceptions of these defense contractors once this comes out?

Corey: That aside, the scariest thing is that some of the Alliance groups . . . If this information gets out in the public, they will have full reason to set up a blockade – it would be similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis – to set up a blockade of a certain area of Antarctica, and they would try to force these groups to show what’s going on inside these R&D bases.

Now, some other interesting information is that they have what they . . . They’re referring to this as a part of an Antarctic Area 51.

There is also a very large former Nazi base that was turned over to the military-industrial complex, if you want to say that, more like the shadow government.

And this former German base was used as a secret space program port. It is now a major port – spaceport – for this shadow government.

They use it to fly in and out of the atmosphere all the time. And a lot of these craft will service some of these space stations or fly beyond.

David: We did cover this in another episode, but I’d like to ask you again for this one. What would be the tactical or strategic significance of having a big spaceport in Antarctica? It seems like it’s an inconvenient place to travel to.

Corey: Well, it is, but the electromagnetics you have to deal with from the atmosphere and the gravitational field is more conducive, even though they’re using antigravity craft.

A lot of the times, when they fire rockets, they try to fire them close to the equator . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . for certain purposes. And also, if you’re flying a bunch of classified craft in and out of the atmosphere on a regular basis, you know, Area 51, or out in Nevada or Arizona, those places aren’t going to cut it. You’re going to want a place where you have complete control, and it’s very hard for prying eyes to see what’s going on.

David: When you mentioned the Earth’s electromagnetic field, what is it about the South Pole that makes that more conducive to a launch?

Corey: I guess there’s less of the Van Allen Belt effect going on.

David: Okay. There was a very interesting episode of Ancient Aliens, and in this episode they had Linda Moulton Howe, who has a show on Gaia, giving a very interesting insider testimony about a man who was a pilot and who flew in a restricted area and saw a gigantic hole in the ice over Antarctica, and said that craft were coming and going from it.

What does that have to do, if anything, with what you’re hearing about what’s going on in Antarctica?

Corey: I’m told this area was very close to the spaceport. So, yeah, that is VERY significant, but what also is significant is that he was flying . . . the reason he saw this hole . . . it was in a restricted airspace. He flew over it because it was an emergency, and they were picking up – I can’t remember how many – scientists that had disappeared for about two weeks.

And you don’t disappear for two weeks in Antarctica and survive unless you have cover and supplies. So these scientists that he picked up were petrified. They’d obviously been told not to talk to anyone. They wouldn’t say a word the whole time they flew back to where they were being cared for.

David: You had mentioned in updates that you recently put out that there was something about the gases having to do with why this hole is there. So could you talk about why is there a hole in the ice, and how does that factor in with the excavations that are going on now?

Corey: Right. There are more than one of these holes, and they’re natural. They occurred mostly natural. They’re geothermal vents.

It appears that what’s occurring is that the continent is heating up under the ice. There’s a lot of geothermal activity going on that’s causing the under-ice lakes to significantly heat up and it’s heating up the ice shelf itself.

Now what this is doing is it’s causing the ice to start to melt at a quicker rate. So these . . . It’s a geothermal ice vent, and they have widened it for their purposes of flying in and out, and also using it as a way to vent out all of the heat that they’re creating with their excavations.

David: Could they be using that heated air to potentially channel it, much like you would steer a river with irrigation projects?

Corey: No. They’re trying to vent out as much of the heat as they can, because it is destabilizing these ice caverns that they’ve created.

You have to understand that the ice is moving at about a foot a day. And they’re at a stationary point under the ice.

So not only are they excavating in this direction [Corey moves his hand in one direction outward] to uncover new artifacts, but they have to constantly excavate in this direction [Corey moves his hand to the opposite side] as the ice flow occurs.

This is compounding the thermal issues that are going on, because we’re using different types of steam pressure to excavate, and when that melts the snow, it causes under-ice rivers, and that’s further lubricating the ice shelf. So there are some significant issues that it can cause.

If they continue what they’re doing and this ice shelf were to break off and fall into the water, it could cause tsunamis and other obvious problems.

David: It was interesting that in January, all of a sudden, there were news items in the mainstream media in which all these people were being evacuated from some of the main bases in Antarctica, and the story was that there was a big crack, and they were fearing that it could break off into the sea.

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Corey: Yeah, the entire ice shelf is going slushy under their feet. The temperature is raised like one degree in . . . I can’t remember the time period that it’s raised one degree, but one degree is significant in the ocean and on a ice shelf. One degree can make a major difference in the rate of melt.

David: It does sound familiar to me because we have other data that supports this: one of them being all the volcanic activity in the world from 1875 to 1993 was mapped out, and there was a 500% increase in global volcanic activity during that time.

So is that what’s causing this?

Corey: Yes, and according to the information I have, these energetic changes that are occurring in our Solar System are causing this heating up process on our planet and other planets as well.

David: We have this idea that we talked about before, that Pete Peterson said there was one mothership that he estimated, based on his intel, as being 30 miles across and having a kind of elongated oval shape.

You then said that there were three.

Corey: Yes, but . . .

David: So what’s the latest data on that?

Corey: The information I got was that they wanted me to give clarity that there was one miles-long craft that was up to three miles and oval shaped, and then there were two smaller, I guess, support-type craft that would be in a fleet that survived the attack and trip down from the Moon to here.

David: So this was something they felt was important for you to clarify for everybody – that it’s not 30 miles wide. It’s only more like three miles wide?

Corey: Right. Yeah, they thought that a little bit of clarity on that was in order.

David: Okay. But that is still an absolutely spectacularly large object.

Corey: Absolutely. And in the largest craft, there have indeed been located a bunch of beings in stasis, and they are the original beings from, I guess, Mars, that had come here – the original pre-Adamites.

Most of the ones that we’ve been dealing with since this great catastrophe are some sort of hybridized type of pre-Adamite that survived.

It’s obvious that the pre-Adamite group, before they had to move here, had already been taking part in these genetic experiments, according to whatever agreements that were made with these other groups.
There are up to 22 different genetic programs going on.

David: Oh, so the pre-Adamites were part of the genetic farmer initiative?

Corey: Right. They were taking part, but they seemed to have a problem getting along with other groups. They were warlike. They tended to strike first and ask questions later.

David: When we’re dealing with this subject of Antarctica, something comes up for me, very interesting, which is that one of my other insiders, Daniel, said that there was one natural ancient stargate on Earth.

He told me this years ago, and I put it on the Internet, . . .

Corey: I was about to lead into that.

David: . . . and that it was in Antarctica.

Corey: Yes.

David: So something that you said recently, not on our camera yet, just blew my mind, because it’s a perfect one-to-one correlation. So could you talk about that?

Corey: One of the most important aspects of this Ancient Builder Race technology that they were trying to control was that there was a very powerful Supergate that is in Antarctica. And it was built by the Ancient Builder Race.

David: I’m sorry. Let me hold you right there. What is the difference between a Supergate and a stargate? Because you never said ‘Supergate’ before.

Corey: A Supergate has the ability to travel from one end to the other through the cosmic web, no matter how far it is – anywhere within our galaxy or to local galaxies.

David: Right. That’s exactly how Daniel described it.

Corey: Right. Now, these other nodes that we have on the planet, you have to jump a few times to get to your location if it’s very far.

David: So it would be like getting a transfer? You have to stop in one place, get out of a gate, to go another location, and then another one?

Corey: You have to wait for the electromagnetics to line up properly between different planets . . .

David: Oh!

Corey: . . . as they are spinning and turning within their local star system in relation to their star with those electromagnetic connections between their planet and their star, and then their star and our star have an electromagnetic connection through this cosmic web.

And those present electromagnetic, I guess, tubes for matter to go from point A to point B through.

David: Do they have the ability, when they make these stopovers, to fast forward time? Do they have time acceleration capability, or do they have to build little resorts that they would stay in in order to wait for the next gate to open and kill some time?

Corey: No, they do have to wait and kill time.

David: How long might they be waiting?

Corey: It just depends on where they’re traveling and how long it’s going to take this – it’s like a big clock – wait for all the mechanisms to be lined up just properly.

David: Are you saying that some of these waits might be years in duration for our time?

Corey: I’m sure they plan it out much better than that. Yeah, they have all the mathematics for predicting all of these locations that they want to go to down very well.

David: So you’re saying that the Supergate isn’t like that. The Supergate will take you wherever you want to go, . . .

Corey: Right.

David: . . . whenever you want to go.

Corey: Right, and it’s a part of a . . . very much like Stargate Atlantis or SG1. An Ancient Builder Race built a network of stargates that are very powerful and very reliable. They can be turned on and used at any time. You don’t have to wait for calculations. Now, . . .

David: What about the ring shape that we see in Stargate? How does that compare with what it looks like?

Corey: It doesn’t look anything like what they show.

David: Oh!

Corey: No. Usually, you have . . . You’re in the middle of the room. The middle of the room is open.

David: What’s ‘the room’, first of all? So it’s an indoor structure?

Corey: Well, just gates in general.

David: Okay.

Corey: There’s not some sort of orifice that you walk through.

David: Okay.

Corey: Usually, there is at least three different points that are opening, that are out in the periphery of the room, opening in a empty part of the room, a vortex that is a three-dimensional ball that looks like a mirage.

David: Okay.

Corey: And as people walk into it from all directions, it looks like they’re shrinking as they . . . almost like they’re walking downhill. They’re going down into it.

And it’s pretty much the same in this Supergate.

One of the things that I haven’t mentioned is that they can, by the amount of energy they feed and the type of energy they feed in, and at what oscillations, they can use these gates for traveling in time as well.

David: So the room, then, you’re saying, is like an Ancient Builder Race underground facility that you would go into?

Corey: Yes.

David: Could you paint for us a picture of how big that room is? Is it primarily just the three emitters in the room, and you walk into the center, or might that be part of a bigger facility?

Corey: I haven’t actually seen it with my own eyes.

David: Oh, okay.

Corey: But most of the Ancient Builder Race technology are built in very large rooms with very large hallways and doorways, so these were not small beings.

David: So this idea of the Supergate and the Ancient Builder Race, it seems to me like it couldn’t just be one Ancient Builder Race if it’s outside of our own galaxy, that there might have been some ancient effort to do this on a widespread scale. Do you have any specifics on that?

Corey: Most of the information I’ve had is that they created this stargate system in this local star cluster of 50, 52 stars.

Now, they do branch out and go to other locations, but this race could have . . . They had plenty of time to map out the galaxy and put stargate locations where they wanted.

They could very well have collaborated with other races in ancient times.

David: Daniel’s testimony, also, I just want to get this in, was that you couldn’t bring metal or any type of weapons or anything that was non-organic through these original Ancient Builder gates.

I’m curious if you ever heard about that one way or the other.

Corey: No, they had some issues. They had some calibration issues that took them a while to figure out. The gates had to be calibrated, somehow. They were in time-space and in some sort of a network communicating with each other, and they figured out how to do it.

They ended up getting the gate to where they could bring anything from point A to point B. Now, the biggest problem they had were when they were creating their own stargates with our technology. In the beginning, we could only send supplies from one place to another, and then we would take a craft there, because organics would not make it from point A to point B intact.

David: When you say ‘they’ were making stargates, which ‘they’ are we talking about now?

Corey: The precursor to all of these Secret Space Programs, back in the ’50s and ’60s when they were figuring out how to do portal travel . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . with the technology they had back-engineered from non-terrestrials.

David: One of the things that Daniel said about the Supergate was that the early, early 1970s’ analysis of it led to the development of the IP address protocol for the Internet, because apparently every gate location has a numerical address similar to what we use for the Internet.

I’m curious about your thoughts on that.

Corey: Yes. I don’t know if ARPANET developed TCP/IP communication protocols to mimic what was occurring in the Supergate, or if they even knew about it, but they work very much the same.

You even have subnet masks to mask certain gate systems so you don’t end up going there.

Yeah, it works in a very similar way.

David: Okay, let’s get back to these pre-Adamites, and you say that they were shot and burning. They crash land in this continent that was not, obviously, a glacier back then.

What was the strategic significance for them having access to the Supergate? Did they have a surviving part of their civilization that they could still visit with it, or were they trying to visit other civilizations? What was their goal?

Corey: You know, I really don’t know what they were do . . . They wanted control of the gate, but not all of their species were trapped with them.

Originally, when they had escaped from the exploding planet, and then later on, when Mars became uninhabitable because of further warfare, . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . a large group of them went towards the outer Solar System and out and away, and then another group of them went towards the Moon and Earth.

David: Ah! So they were able to reach out to some of their lost refugees once they gained control of this gate?

Corey: That would . . . That would make sense.

David: It does make sense.

Corey: Yeah.

David: So who’s in control of the Supergate right now?

Corey: This same shadow government group that has control over the spaceport and this Antarctic Area 51 area. It’s the same group.

They have control over it, and they’re trying to figure out what to do with a lot of this. They’re finding so much.

Obviously, they’re learning to back-engineer and cannibalize that technology to add to our existing space fleet technology.

David: Now, in our previous update, you mentioned Ka’Aree and others bringing you to some kind of library in Antarctica.

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And you witnessed the extraction of scrolls from this library, but at the time, you did not know what they were or what the purpose of this was.

Do you have any further information on that now?

Corey: Well, you know according to Sigmund, what they were looking for down there were files, basically, that had, I guess, a multigenerational bloodline list that traced way, way back – back . . . It was a historical document even before their planet exploded.

Now, what’s interesting is that everything in their society depends on bloodline – where you are in the hierarchy. The way they apply their laws had to do with where you were in this bloodline hierarchy.

So these are very, very important scrolls for them for a number of reasons.

They also wanted to be able to genetically tie themselves to this pre-Adamite race and then set up this pre-Adamite race as being basically gods, and they would be demi-gods.

David: ‘They’ meaning the Cabal?

Corey: The Cabal.

David: So this would have given them, using a legal term, this would have given them the imprimatur to claim this divine right of kings . . .

Corey: Right.

David: . . . and an extraterrestrial bloodline.

Corey: Right. And then internally, the documents were important because it’s how they jockey for position and apply laws. It’s a very . . . It’s a cultural thing as well. It’s very important.

David: So why do you think the Anshar felt it was of such strategic significance to remove this, and why, also, would they want you to have witnessed it?

Corey: I don’t know why they want me to witness certain things, but sometimes they have me witness things and it just doesn’t really make sense to me.

But they obviously were removing these documents to disrupt future plans by the Cabal and some of these non-terrestrial groups working with them.

David: Would you argue that they wanted you to witness this so that everyone following this story would know about it?

Corey: I think since I’m reporting the information, they wanted me to witness it firsthand.

David: Have their been further Anshar meetings since the last updates that we did on this show, and if so, what have they told you?

Corey: Yes, I have met mainly with Ka’Aree in The Construct. And I asked her if what Sigmund told me was true, and she confirmed that, yes, that’s the reason that they took the documents was to disrupt operations by the Cabal group, and also prevent them from being able to do a divine right of kings kind of thing.

David: One of the most remarkable plot twists for me was that after you and I had already exchanged a great deal of information on this, I called up Pete Peterson, and he starts telling me almost exactly the same stuff, but one of the differences was that he said in one of these ships that had been converted into a very advanced base, that there were groups of people who survived the Atlantean catastrophe but had gotten locked in there.

And then, apparently, our people finally dug them out. And this is only something that happened, apparently, recently.

So what are you thoughts on all that?

Corey: It’s a little different than the information I received. I received information that they found very small pockets of a lot of these basically genetic experiments and humans from this pre-Adamite group.

David: Living, you’re saying.

Corey: Living. That had been living basically in cavernous areas under the ice that were discovered.

I had no information about people surviving inside the ship. The information I had was that – and it would match if there were people in – was that up until the last couple of decades, it was completely ice-locked.

And when they went inside, there wouldn’t be a whole lot of technology left inside this cannibalized ship to sustain anyone for any amount of time.

David: Right.

Corey: They took all of this technology out and put it into this new city that they built. So it’s a little big of a divergence.

David: So these people could take light sources that they build, remove them from the ship, go into these caverns, grow food and have water that they can melt and make available to themselves, so they basically can have a sustainable society.

Corey: Yes, and there’s also less, I guess, advanced ways of getting protein and vitamins and minerals, other than using technology. There is an ecosystem underground that they could probably use as well.

David: You said that some of these people were chimeras, these animal-human hybrids?

Corey: Yes.

David: What types have survived?

Corey: I haven’t heard the specifics, other than there were humans, and then some of these strange sort of experiments that were being created by the Pre-Adamites.

David: So let’s talk a little bit about these stasis beings. They trace all the way back, you’re saying, to this Super Earth before it blew up 500,000 years ago.

How many of these beings are there, and is there any way to wake them?

Corey: Well, I don’t know the exact number. There are a number of them that are in stasis.

David: Tens, hundreds, thousands?

Corey: Nowhere near that many. I think it’s maybe a handful, a dozen.

David: Okay.

Corey: And this group has put themselves in stasis at some ancient point, and they’ve been in this ship for a long time. And it was very important for the people that were guarding them to also get them down to Earth and hook up to the power source that the Ancient Builder Race was using to help them keep this stasis chamber and the ship working.

It is piped right into the Ancient Builder Race power source.

And they have figured a way to awaken them. They are unable to awaken one at a time. They have to awaken them all at the same time.

And there are a lot of security concerns about what’s going to happen after they wake them.

I mean, everyone who has seen the movie Prometheus will see where the concerns are.

David: So you’re saying that this would be a being that has literally edited out the last half million years of history, and wakes up knowing only that it went down when its planet either had been destroyed or was about to be destroyed.

Corey: Right.

David: How are they addressing the problem of these beings potentially being very dangerous when they wake up?

Corey: Well, there’s pretty much a committee trying to figure out whether they’re going to wake them or not. But in case they decide to wake them, they have these little mini-nukes, like these fifth-generation type nuke weapons that they have sitting right in the middle of all these beings in stasis.

And when they awaken these . . . if they awaken these beings, they’re going to have the people there with, basically, dead man triggers.

If the pre-Adamites become violent or hostile, then they can be eradicated very quickly with a large nuclear explosion.

David: Well, this is really fascinating, and I thank you for continuing to be on the front lines and having these experiences to share with us. It’s very, very interesting.

And again, even if you don’t believe this, necessarily, it’s a very fascinating story, far deeper and more complex, with threads to so many things that I’ve been researching over the years. I find it very believable in light of all the data that surrounds this.

I’m David Wilcock. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”, and I thank you for watching.

COSMIC DISCLOSURE: REVEALING THE ORIGINAL SECRET SPACE VEHICLES WITH MARK MCCANDLISH

Source: Sphere Being Alliance

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I hope you’re having an amazing day, and maybe after you see this episode, it’s going to become even more amazing. I’m here with Corey Goode, and we have a special guest today, Mark McCandlish, one of the original thirty-nine whistleblowers who came forward at the Disclosure Project event on May 9, 2001, at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. to disclose the reality of the extraterrestrial presence on Earth.

|So, Corey, welcome to the show.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: All right. We’re going to start now with an intro and overview of Mark, in his own words, from his background. Let’s take a look.

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MARK’S STORY

Mark McCandlish: My electronics aptitude was so high right out of high school that the Air Force was really enthusiastic about getting me to work on something like a weapons control system on aircraft. So that’s where I wound up going.

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After I got out of the Air Force, I used the GI Bill to go to Brigham Young University, studying design illustration. And then I went to Art Center College of Design as an automotive design major and eventually changed my major to just straight illustration when I began to see that the bottom was about to fall out of the automotive industry, and they weren’t going to be hiring any designers in the late ’70s, early ’80s.

And that’s when I went to work for the defense industry.

I had been approached by the Calabasas Division of Lockheed, and I think this was right at or right before the time that Lockheed joined with Martin Marietta and became Lockheed Martin.

And the gentleman that had asked me to prepare this illustration said that, “We can’t tell you what it looks like. We can’t tell you anything about the aircraft, only that it’s the second generation in an existing family of extremely high speed, high altitude aircraft.

And so we need you to draw a picture of something that looks really fast.

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So I looked around, and the two fastest aircraft that I was aware of at the time was, of course, the SR-71 Blackbird, which is Mach 3 , and then the prototype XB-70 Valkyrie that was built by Rockwell International’s North American Aircraft Division.

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So I combined features from those two aircraft, and I thought, this is a really cool-looking aircraft.

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And I went in, and much to my surprise, they had a couple of engineers from Lockheed Skunk Works there.

And it was an order gentleman with glasses, a receding hairline. And they were actually wearing little white lab coats with the pocket protector and the slide rule and this kind of thing.

And so I opened up my sketchpad, and I turned around, and I slid it across this big, beautiful, mahogany table in this conference room.

And right away, I could see that something was wrong. The gentleman both took on an appearance of being kind of startled, like they were seeing something they weren’t expecting.

And then one of the two gentlemen – the man with the glasses, the receding hairline – you could literally see his face turn red. You could see beads of sweat starting to form on his forehead and his lip. And his hands started to tremble.

And he slams his hand down on the notepad, and he says, “What are these canards, and what are these winglets out on the wings? Those would be torn off at Mach 17 . . .” And he stopped himself right there as he said “Mach 17”.

And I thought, “That’s 12,000 miles an hour [19,300 kph]!”

And they were both upset. And they were upset in a way that, at first, I thought it was because I didn’t do a good job, because the illustration didn’t look credible.

And then I thought, “No, this is something else.” They’re reacting because I’ve hit something. I’ve hit the nail right on the head with this illustration, and they may perceive that what I’ve done here is because of some kind of a leak – some kind of an information leak.

And so the first thing I did was I tried to assure them by saying, “Well, look, I’ll be happy to illustrate whatever you want, but the fact is, I just don’t know what your aircraft looks like because nobody’s told me. They said they can’t tell me. The design is classified. So what I’ve done here is I’ve combined most of the most interesting features from these two aircraft – the two fastest aircraft that I know of – the SR-71 and the XB-70.”

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And so then they kind of calmed down a little bit and relaxed. But at that point, the cat was already out of the bag. They’d said “Mach 17”.

It really pointed out to me that there were some programs that were going on. And, of course, you always assume that there’s something classified going on all the time behind the scenes.

But as far as aircraft design was concerned, it really helped to illustrate that there were things going on – advanced projects – that were really pushing the envelope in terms of material use, high speed, high altitude and propulsion systems that had never been seen before – these supersonic combustion ramjet or scramjet engines.

And so it was an eye-opener. That’s for sure. It let me know that there were other things out there that the general public didn’t know about.

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David: Okay. So what you see there is very interesting. Here’s a guy who’s describing having a direct one-on-one meeting with insiders from Lockheed Martin Skunk Works.

And they told him that canards and winglets on the plane would fall off at Mach 17. So clearly, he had access to the real deal.

Corey, what were your thoughts as you watched this clip?

Corey: It was pretty interesting. I had seen information about these early planes that they were developing, and they were very, extremely aerodynamic.

But when he was talking, for some reason – it popped in my mind – I remember a type of engineered crystal that they were using that they would put on the outside of these craft that . . . You know, like piezoelectric crystals. If you hit them, they’ll give off an electrical charge?

David: Yeah, sure.

Corey: These convert friction heat into electric charges.

David: Oh, that makes sense.

Corey: And then the skin of the plane would have this crystalline material painted over it. And then the heat would be turned into electricity. The electricity would transfer through the skin of the plane into something that would quickly store the electricity. So it would be kind of like a heat sink.

It would be pulling electricity very quickly, and heat couldn’t build up.

David: Well, let me just mention that there are known things called photo cells, which we already have in electronics, where they can sense a light source and actually convert that light to electricity.

So this idea of basically what you’re describing as a thermal couple on the outside of the plane, that’s totally plausible within electronics that that could work. I just never thought of it before. It’s fascinating.

Corey: Right. I’d forgotten about it, too. It just popped in my head when I was watching that clip.

David: So Mach 17, . . . of course, some of the people watching this may not be aware that conventional aeronautics . . . even Mach 4, Mach 5, is considered extraordinary.

What are the speeds that you encountered with some of the craft that are in the classified world that he got a little taste of here?

Corey: Well, yeah, there was a lot of talk of craft that were being developed between Mach 9 and Mach 20 . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . that were being developed that were mostly for flying in the atmosphere – test craft to get to a point where they could develop craft that could fly in and out of the atmosphere.

David: So is it normal for somebody like Mark McCandlish to have this background of industrial design – he said that he majored, at first, in drawing automobiles and getting really nice technical illustrations of them, and then in his case, going into the defense industry – that a guy with those skills could end up potentially in some kind of classified program?

Corey: Absolutely. They need people of all skill sets. You’re going to run across a lot of draftsmen, artists, that worked for the government that have a lot of knowledge like he does.

David: Now, another thing that is interesting to me was he mentions Brigham Young University. And Pete, tongue-in-cheek, called that whole area – Utah, Idaho, etc. – “Mormania”. And it was originally a joke, but apparently, on the inside, they now actually use that term – that what I’ve heard from him – and I want to get your thoughts on this – is that many people who worked for the CIA and other intelligence agencies are recruited from Mormon states in America, that there is a Mormon component to the black ops world.

So I’m curious if you ever heard anything about that?

Corey: Yes. I read on the smart glass pad about how different Mormon groups were creating vaults underground and were reporting back to the intelligence agencies that they were encountering beings when they were trying to build their facilities underground.

David: Beings that were not human?

Corey: Correct.

David: When we see a guy like McCandlish coming out and talking about this, what do you think he had to gain from this? In other words, I don’t see any evidence. I don’t think he’s ever written a book.

He kind of went off the radar after Disclosure Project in 2001. Now here it is, 16 years later, he pops up again.

So do you think that there’s any self-interest or manipulation going on here? What’s his objective?

Corey: One of the things you see quite often with whistleblowers is that in the process of being a whistleblower, they end up losing their careers. And he pretty much lost his career within all of the defense industry and basically was in hiding for a while from what I hear.

David: All right. We’re going to now continue with some more footage for you to check out. This is the second part of our groundbreaking interview with Mark McCandlish. Let’s check it out.

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COVERT CRAFT

Mark McCandlish: Well, this is a story that came to me through another aviation artist that . . . One of my contemporaries met this fellow and a friend of his at an air show at the old Chino Air Base where they brought a lot of the aircraft after the Second World War to be demolished and scrapped for their aluminum and so forth.

And he was saying that this fellow had a friend who was a former astronaut – it was one of the Buzz astronauts, Buzz Aldrin or Buzz Carpenter – one of these gentlemen.

And this individual was flying a Learjet, ferrying it from one location to another, and he was passing over North Central Nevada at the time – broken clouds and this kind of thing.

And he comes out of some clouds and into an open air space, and below him and to the left is this black aircraft that looks sort of like a flattened-out football shape.

6 Artist S Drawing Of Black Aircraft

And on the back end of it, it has not only a vertical stabilizer or a tail on the top, but there was another one down below.

A lot of people don’t know that the early A-12 version of the SR-71 Blackbird also had the same feature. It had a folding vertical stabilizer on the ventral surface on the underside of the aircraft.

But this aircraft had an unusual inlet design. It wasn’t the typical thing where you have a big hole hanging down underneath the wing where the air for the engine comes in.

This thing had, what looked like, a pair of these triangular-shaped NACA ducts near the leading edge of this.

There were no wings, no tail feathers – nothing. It was just sort of a lifting body design, like a flattened-out football shape.

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Control surfaces along the leading edges and on the trailing edges, but the inlets were a pair of NACA ducts.

8 NACA Ducts

And then at the back end were a pair of trapezoid-shaped exhaust ports. But then at the midsection, the widest part of this platform, was a ridge. And along the trailing edge of the ridge were what appeared to be a number of fuel injectors pointing outward where it was obvious at some point in the flight regime of the aircraft, there would be something expelled from those ports.

And it was actually operating kind of like the whole back end of the aircraft was a linear aerospike engine, which has that kind of a configuration.

The pilot is there, and he looks at this plane and realizes that if he hadn’t seen it directly that he might have collided with it in the clouds.

And so he gets ahold of the ground control operator for that region, and he says, “Why didn’t you inform me that there was another aircraft in my vicinity?”

And he said, “Well . . . “ The response was, “. . . because there isn’t any. We don’t have anything on radar at all.”

And he says, “Well, the hell there isn’t.” He says, “I’m looking at a plane right now. It’s black. It has the two tails.” He described what he was seeing, “I’m in his 5 o’clock position.”

And there’s a long silence on the radio.

And then all of a sudden, he can see in the window, the cockpit – it’s kind of like the X-15 cockpit where it’s mostly aircraft with just a little tiny window and a splitter in the front. And he sees the face of the pilot look around at him like this, and like, “Oh, crap!”, and banks away and goes into one of the clouds and disappears.

So a little while later, there’s another voice that comes onto the radio – a deeper voice, a more serious voice, and he says, “Okay, pilot zone, so you need to change your heading and come in to Nellis Air Force Base, and we need you to land there and be debriefed. And I want you to roll out and stay at the end of the runway. You will be met at the end of the runway.”

And so then they take him in, and they put him through interrogation and make it real clear that what he saw was something that doesn’t officially exist, and he’s not to talk about it.

But eventually, apparently, he did tell someone, including this colleague of mine who shared the story with me.

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David: The first thing I thought of when he said a ‘squashed football’ was your description of the Dark Fleet craft which you said have a dark teardrop-type of shape.

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Corey: Right.

David: But based on the illustration that McCandlish made here, is that what we’re looking at, or is this something else?

Corey: I knew immediately, the way he was describing the craft with the two fins, the two stabilizers, that it was a test craft from the military. I’ve read before about these vertical stabilizers, that are on the top and bottom, that, at a certain stage in flight, the bottom one drops to give them further stabilization.

David: Well, he had the location right, because he said this witness saw this over Nevada.

Corey: Right.

David: So there you go. That’s your Area 51.

Corey: Right. That’s a good place to see test craft.

I’ve received quite a few emails from pilots, that don’t want to go public because of their jobs, that have described seeing very similar things.

David: Really?

Corey: Yeah.

David: One of the insiders that I have had contact with – I met through Pete Peterson – he claims to have been able to build eight different types of anti-gravity device. And he worked on aerospace design.

He has described that a lot of times these planes were built, and then they were mothballed. And he believed that the purpose was money laundering – that the plane was said to cost much more than it really did. It justifies these budgets.

The actual money spent on it might be much less, and then the less of the money goes to some other thing. Have you heard of that, and if so, where’s the money going?

Corey: Yes. A lot of these contracting companies are . . . I mean, everyone’s heard about $200 hammers, $300 toilet seats . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . that kind of thing. That occurs all the time to bring in extra money for black budgets. So that’s fairly common.

David: What might some of those black budgets be? I mean, wouldn’t this plane be the goal . . .

Corey: Right.

David: . . . or would it be something else?

Corey: Something like this probably came from a budget from a craft or something they were building that was known. And then they overcharged for that craft . . .

David: Right.

Corey: . . . and funneled that money into a craft like this. And a lot of times they’ll build these craft. They’ll put millions of dollars into building a craft like this just to prove a certain concept for future craft that they’ll fly around a few times, and then they mothball them or take them apart.

David: Right. So given the design and the shape of this particular craft, what type of usefulness to you think it might have?

Corey: I think they were trying to increase stabilized flight past Mach 3 to 5, most likely.

David: It doesn’t really look like it would capture air like a wing. Do you think there’s some sort of anti-gravity component to how this works?

Corey: No. This is a conventional jet. It’s just really advanced technology. It’s kind of like what he was talking about – sort of like a ramjet. It brings in the air at the wings and expels the gases and air out the back to propel it.

David: All right. Next, we have another very interesting and strange story from Mark McCandlish, which I’m sure you’re going to like. Let’s check it out.

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SURPRISING TECHNOLOGY

Mark McCandlish: There was a gentleman, and I don’t remember where he was located, but he had a custom of jogging early in the morning with his dog. And one of the challenges that he made for himself was he would jog on this path that would go up to the top of this hill near the town where they had the city water supply. It was a big tower.

And it was a heavily wooded area with a clearing around the tower itself.

And as they’re jogging up the hill, he comes out into the clearing where the tower is, and here is this aircraft. And it looks like a conventional jet aircraft standing on its tail, and it’s orbiting this water tower silently.

10 Jet Circling Water Tower

No jet engine noise, no dust being kicked up or anything, and the pilot is just sort of playing.

And he’s just standing there with his mouth hanging open, and his dog is barking and really going crazy.

And while the pilot’s doing this, he kind of looks over his shoulder, and he sees the jogger there. “Oh, no!”

11 Jet Leaving Scene

So he lights up the after burner, and off he goes using conventional power.

So it just pointed out that there must be some other things that they’re incorporating and folding into some of the . . . maybe even the standard issue aircraft that are giving them abilities that are not completely obvious when looking at them from the outside.

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David: This is one of those stories that seems to stretch the credulity a little bit. What is your feeling about the idea that conventional aircraft might have some sort of anti-gravity that would allow them to do those types of tricks?

Corey: Well, it’s definitely not something that would be standard issue on one of the fleets right now out to sea.

David: Right.

Corey: But they have retrofitted conventional-looking craft with anti-gravity for specific reasons to be used, I guess, for special missions. It’s not something that a lot of the different lieutenant commanders out there in the Navy that fly jets . . . they’re not going to have this or know about this type of technology being incorporated into conventional craft. But it is something I’ve heard of. I haven’t seen it with my own eyes.

David: I’ve also had Peterson tell me that military aircraft are all now – or at least many of them – are equipped with a technology that he called ‘masking’. Are you familiar with that and what that’s all about?

Corey: Yeah, masking is a common term. It just means ‘camouflage’. It’s an electronic camouflage.

David: So would a masked craft still be visible once the masking is turned on?

Corey: No. No.

David: Right.

Corey: That’s the whole point of it. It pretty much . . . You’re seeing what’s behind the craft.

David: So what would the usefulness be of a pilot able to back the tail of a plane down and then turn circles around a tower like that?

Corey: That’s not really the point. The point is to be able to loiter and hover to engage targets like a helicopter would and then having the supersonic flight capabilities as well.

It’s one of the reasons also they developed the Harrier.

David: Sure.

Corey: Then you have the vertical takeoff and landing capabilities as well.

David: Now do you think it’s possible, given that he seemed to have been turning circles around a tower, that the anti-gravity, in some way, was able to partially attach to the mass of the tower and use it as a center of balance or a pivot point for him?

Corey: No. Most likely what occurred is . . . They have a lot of this smart flight technology in drones now. And it’s usually a camera that has intelligent computers connected to it.

The camera acts like an eye, focuses on like a tower, and then it will loiter and hover around a certain object.

David: Ah. So this could have all been done automatically. He was just having fun.

Corey: Right.

David: He doesn’t have to do any fancy flying at all.

Corey: Yes. It looked like he took a little time out of a normal test flight to play around a little bit on his own.

David: All right. Now we’re going to see a very interesting section of this interview where McCandlish is describing a UFO sighting that actually led to photographic evidence. Let’s take a look.

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THE CEDARVILLE UFO

Mark McCandlish: It was a fellow that I knew – his name was Arthur Reed – who took this photograph in 1982. He was just exploring northern California by car.

He was driving somewhere about 10 miles north of Cedarville, and he saw a large group of people that had pulled off the road, and they were all sort of looking off to the west.

And so he, just out of curiosity, stopped to see what it was. And off in the distance was this immense, black thing – big, large, V-shaped vehicle.

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13 Closeup Of UFO

And the shape of it was what kind of gave it away as the possible product of Lockheed Skunk Works, because it had the same sort of faceted flat surfaces like a Stealth Fire.

The craft looked an awful lot like a large black V, and in the middle of each of those two wings, or legs, or whatever you want to call them, which were really thick and not aerodynamic in any way, shape or form, but there was a large white sphere.

14 Drawin Gof V Shaped Vehicle

And then there was one up in the very front where they kind of came together. And there were seams on the surface of the thing that looked like the different parts of the vehicle could be articulated and folded up into almost a triangular shape.

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There were a series of red lights that went from the nose back towards part of the fuselage where the wings joined together.

16 Drawing 3 Red Lights

And the thing was in a nose down, bank to the left, and it was hovering in this position about maybe 250 feet off the ground.

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And it was maybe a quarter of a mile to a half a mile off the roadway.

Very large. He said that he thought that this thing was somewhere between 300 and 600 feet on a side. It was that big.

He said that it was making this low, pulsating, humming sound, almost like something you’d see in a science fiction movie, sort of this [whirring sound] kind of sound. But he said it was so powerful, so loud, that you could feel it in your chest – that your chest would kind of vibrate and resonate with the sound.

And the people that were there that had pulled off the road represented kind of like a cross-section of what you’d find in America – the deeply religious people that are crying and on their knees, praying to God to deliver them from this chariot of the devil.

There were other people who were running towards it and waving and saying, “Take me for a ride”. And there were other people there hooting and hollering like they were watching a fireworks show on the 4th of July.

In the photograph, in the foreground, you can see people standing in the bed of their truck, and you’re seeing them all from the back, so you can’t tell exactly what they’re doing. But a lot of them, their arms are like this [up in front of his eyes], like they’re watching it through field glasses.

There are other people just sort of standing around, just taking it all in, watching everything.

But he said that this thing sat there for the better part of a half an hour, and that’s why there were so many people that had pulled off and were watching.

And apparently, there was some kind of a flight control issue with this thing, and it had initiated a bank, and then they couldn’t pull out of this dive, so they just stopped. And it was hovered in this banked, nose-down position.

And so apparently, whoever was working on this thing was not able to repair that particular problem. And so the way they resolved it was this thing continued in its bank. I have to turn my hand the other way to do it right, but imagine that this [his hand is now face up and he’s pointing to his palm] is the upper surface like this.

So the thing flips end over end like this [the top rising up and back], but at the same time, it continues the roll. So it goes like this [it first rolled to the right and then the nose twisted up and back], and it’s pointed up and away from the crowd.

18 Animation Plane Taking Off

It starts to climb out slowly, getting louder and louder, and then it gets to about 5,000 feet and [hands slap together] gone just like that, out into space.

But he said he went back about a week later, and he parked his car in the same spot. And he was walking out to see if maybe there was any evidence on the ground that this thing had been there. Maybe something got dropped off of it, or maybe there was crop circle-type evidence – that kind of thing.

This Air Force truck comes rolling up – the dark blue with the yellow stencil on the side – “United States Air Force”. And a couple of military cops tell him he needs to get out of there and leave immediately, or they’re going to arrest him, and they’re going to impound his car. So he leaves.

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David: Well, isn’t it cool to have some really good illustrations – a guy that can back up his story with visuals like this?

Corey: And a photo – an actual photo.

David: Yeah. That’s a very interesting and bizarre-looking craft. Let’s just start by getting your thoughts as to, have you seen anything like that? What do you think its purpose might be? Is it just experimental? Was it actually used in operations, etc.?

Corey: I saw a lot of experimental craft, and a lot of them did say “Lockheed” on them, and they were faceted. And some of them were . . . I don’t know how to . . . You could manipulate or articulate different areas of the craft. So this sounds to me like it might have been one of their test craft, a concept craft.

David: So when you say ‘manipulate’ or ‘articulate’, you mean the craft can move . . .

Corey: Change configurations.

David: Shapeshift, basically.

Corey: Right.

David: What would be the value of something like that?

Corey: Well, if you have three different points that are being used, I guess, as like impulse-type engines – electrogravitic engines – usually, they have them on a type of a gimbal that you can manipulate them, turn them this way, and then pull you in that direction.

So that’s going to be kind of the same concept. And most of these that I read about were remotely controlled – the test craft. They didn’t necessarily have pilots.

David: Well, I’m thinking about the old James Bond movie where he’s got the car, and he drives it into the water, and then things all start shifting. And now that it’s in water, it’s got fins instead of tires.

Corey: Right.

David: Or it becomes a jet, and it flies, and wings come out. Is it possible that the shapeshifting has something to do with where it’s traveling, like if it’s in atmosphere or in space or something like that?

Corey: I would think it mostly has to do with controlling the attitude and pitch and yaw of the plane.

David: Just the actual manipulation.

Corey: Right.

David: Is it normal for people to be able to see one of these, or was this some kind of an accident that took place?

Corey: I think he described what most likely happened very well.

David: Right.

Corey: There was some sort of computer glitch, or they weren’t able to communicate with the craft, and it went into a loiter position. It was most likely programmed to go into a loiter position if there was an issue.

David: Now, earlier in this same episode, he was talking about how craft that are going to travel at Mach 17, that he couldn’t have these canards and winglets on the craft because they would get torn off.

The thing that strikes me is, you’re talking about a craft that has moving parts – a craft that has all these facets on it. It’s got an unusual shape.

Wouldn’t that type of a structure stress out under very high velocity and not be a good choice for a high speed aircraft?

Corey: No. Most . . . A lot of them are faceted – the craft that are supersonic.

David: Okay.

Corey: That’s actually a part of the design. It’s not only for deflecting radar, but they design them to be highly aerodynamic.

And I didn’t see anything that would cause a whole lot of drag on that craft.

David: But the joints . . . In order to have the joints be strong enough that things could move and then hold up under that velocity . . .

Corey: Most likely it moves into a different configuration.

David: Oh, for high speed?

Corey: For high speed. Right.

David: That, I can understand. So maybe the two Y-like sides of it would pull together.

Corey: Come together. Right. Right.

David: You mentioned before that the ICC – the Interplanetary Corporate Conglomerate – within the greater space program you were part of, was manufacturing and selling technology to over 900 extraterrestrial groups – 900 being the ones they were in regular contact with.

Would the ICC be testing anything on Earth, or would this be some other group besides them?

Corey: Well, the ICC controls a lot of these military-industrial-complex-type firms that contract this stuff. So they’re going to be overseeing it anyway and pulling in technology that they see that can be incorporated into higher technology craft.

There’s most likely an Area 51-type of Lockheed-Martin joint effort.

David: How might you use a craft like this? What would be it’s purpose? Is it an attack weapon?

Corey: Yeah. It probably has different weapons-platform packages you can put on it for reconnaissance and also weapons platform to make it a weapons platform. But most likely, that was a concept for another craft that . . . They’ll build three or four different concept craft to finally come up with one final version.

So that could have just been part of a process of creating another craft.

David: Well, that’s all the time we have for in this episode of “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m here with Corey Goode, and we are watching the very surprising testimony of one of the original Disclosure Project 39 whistleblowers, none other than Mark McCandlish. We’ll see you next time.