COSMIC DISCLOSURE: THE GRAND EXPERIMENT

Source: Cosmic Disclosure

David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock. I’m here with Corey Goode, and in this episode, we’re going to get into the Grand Experiment.

This is something that is of particular interest to me, and I’m sure to many of you watching this program, because this Experiment affects people who are human but may not fit in and may in fact have ET souls.

So here for more information is Corey Goode. Corey, welcome back to the show.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So we’ve talked about the idea that there was a Super Earth in our Solar System that exploded 500,000 years ago, and that it deactivated some sort of protective grid around our own Solar System and neighboring systems as well.

And you said that shortly after this, a bunch of groups of ETs came in. And could you tell us a little bit about them just to recap? Who are they, and what do they want?

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Corey: Yes, they’ve been referred to as this Genetic Farmer race. And they’ve been on some sort of a mandate throughout the galaxy to spread advanced life, and to monitor and assist the development of that life, as well as the spiritual development of that life.

David: Could you define “advanced life?”

Corey: Advanced life would be, I guess, like a human being.

David: Okay. So at what point did you become aware of this existing?

Corey: I first became aware of this program when I was around the age of 13, and I was in these MILAB . . . what we’re calling the MILAB programs.

David: Okay.

Corey: Once I had been put through the process of receiving the full dose of the serum that they were giving me for intuitive empaths, I was also about at the end of the training, and they wanted to have me out in the field.

So around age 13, they took me to . . . which we’ve done an episode about . . . they took me to this Super Federation base outside of Jupiter.

And I’ve described before how when we would fly into this temporal anomaly, that you ended up in a giant, like, a bubble in space, that you couldn’t see stars. It was just pitch black.

And the space station was sitting right there in the middle, and you would see craft going to and from, from different races. And they were coming to have a meeting.

David: So why would ETs doing this be interested in a 13-year-old kid?

Corey: They had no interest in me whatsoever. I was there as one of three IEsupports. They usually would have three intuitive empaths with them to help triangulate any type of deception, danger, anything like that.

David: Okay.

Corey: And as I’ve described before, they brought us into the main meeting hall, and we sat in sort of a horseshoe fashion in a delegate seat. And at that point, they were giving us smart-glass pads to keep ourselves busy.

And I was starting to read information in those about the group that I was there to support and the different genetic programs that they were involved in.

And that’s when I found out that there were 22 different programs.

David: Were you there to support an ET group? Is that what you were involved in?

Corey: No, I was there to support the Earth delegation, but I was there to monitor everyone other than the Earth delegation.

David: So even though this Earth delegation is not elected, on some level, they represent us for this council?

Corey: Right. They rotate in. The seat rotates to different people on Earth.

David: And what would be our role in these negotiations? What are we fighting for? What do we want? Why are we there?

Corey: We don’t have a role. It’s just an observation. We’re just there to observe. And that was granted fairly recently, from what I’m told.

David: Did they ever intend for this information to be known to the general public, or do they want it to stay strictly classified?

Corey: Classified.

David: The beings that you saw in this Super Federation, how extraterrestrial would they look to us?

Corey: Well, there were 60 plus different groups. So some of them looked very similar to us in size . . . not in size but in configuration – you know, humanoid.

But a lot of them were very human-looking. They just had slightly different skin colors. I mean, they looked slightly different, but they looked fairly human.

There were some that were obviously a part of this Pre-Adamite group, the more ancient one. They were taller, and they had the elongated skulls.

There was even the ones that I had talked about in the previous episode we did, with green skin and black hair.

David: Do we know how local they are in terms of positions in our galaxy? Do they come from all over the galaxy, or is it more of a local area?

Corey: No, they come from all over the galaxy. Our local star cluster was once protected by a barrier, as we’ve discussed, by the Ancient Builder Race.

David: Right.

Corey: And once that was brought down from the inside by some of the inhabitants, these groups finally had access to all of this new, rich genetic stock. It was a very exciting time for them. They had not had access.

The only genetic programming that had gone on inside this bubble, if you wish, were groups that had become advanced themselves genetically and were traveling around within that local star cluster doing genetic experiments. And that had been going on for a billion years.

David: Just to review something that I believe you said before, are the people that evolve on planets in our local star cluster going to look more like us in general?

Corey: For the most part, they look very similar. Yes.

David: Okay.

Corey: There are different types that aren’t as mammalian-looking.

David: It seems to me that we’re pretty clear now that the Secret Space Program was being run by the Cabal, that there were some very negative aspects to it.

The term “Genetic Farmer”, to me, sounds kind of derogatory. And I’m wondering if perhaps what they’re doing might be actually more benevolent for human life on Earth than how the Cabal-run Secret Space Program might have been seeing it at that time.

Corey: When you are the petri dish, or the rat in the cage, your perspective is a little bit different than if you’re the one wearing the white coat.

David: But wouldn’t you say that the basic idea of what they’re up to . . . People hear the term “Genetic Farmer”, they might think that this is some kind of slave mill in which human genetics are being used for food or something like that.

Whereas what you’ve described before sounds more like an ascension plan, that they’re trying to help us.

Corey: Right. It is a spiritual and genetic plan, or program of evolution, that is working in concert with the cosmic changes occurring in different regions.

These cosmic . . . In different parts of the galaxy, these energetic influxes have occurred at different times and in slightly different ways. And they’re working with the local populations in concert with those cosmic changes to enhance their DNA and to enhance their consciousness.

David: I was recently going through the Hindu sacred texts using a search engine, and I found approximately . . . and it’s not exactly clear if they’re all individual or not, but I found approximately 188 references to the Solar Flash.

Everybody talks about this Solar Flash, and you have groups that are Reptilian groups called the Rakshasas. You have clearly groups like Krishna that have blue skin but are human-looking.

There’s a variety of groups that were on Earth at that time. And in these books, the Vedas, they talk about the Solar Flash as if everybody knows that this is going to happen. The Sun is going to give off this big flash at the end of the age, and that there is some kind of transformation of life on Earth.

So do you think that there is some relationship between the Genetic Farmers and what’s going on in the Hindu ancient texts?

Corey: Yes, because this flash they’re talking about is just a byproduct of these cosmic changes that are occurring, these energetic changes. So yeah, it’s a direct tie-in.

David: It’s interesting, because it’s like reading other people’s mail. Everybody takes it for granted. They all know this is going to happen. There’s no question that it happens.

Corey: It’s happened before.

David: Yeah, so it’s something they consider just to be a basic fact, like we would say that the color red is on a stop sign. Same thing.

So if they are trying to promote our Ascension, what is the difference for us when this Solar Flash would occur as opposed to if we were just out in the boondocks and nobody had ever done any of these experiments on us? What’s the difference?

Corey: Well, I’d like to think that there’s some sort of structure to the cosmos. I think that most likely you would still be advancing but at a much, much slower rate. This is like putting turbo speed on the Ascension process.

David: It’s almost like the analogy of the jack-in-the-box, where we’re spring-loaded and POW! Something happens when the Solar Flash takes place.

Corey: Right.

David: What was the history of intelligent life on Earth, if any, prior to the catastrophe of half a million years ago where the Super Earth blew up? Was there any human life or intelligent life on Earth before that?

Corey: Well, interestingly enough, this Reptilian or Saurian group that has been in conflict with humanity for so long, claims that they originally were stewards of the Earth, and that they had their own experiment going on here, that some of these races that now have a mammalian experiment going on had sterilized their experiment, and that in doing so, they had lost three races.

David: Hm. Three different intelligent species?

Corey: They said there were three lost races because of this cleansing that took place. So that’s one of the claims made by the Reptilians that I have not had verified.

David: The insider, Bruce, who gave me a lot of the information for “Ascension Mysteries”, said that the prevailing opinion within his insider clique now is that the asteroid, or whatever it was that destroyed the dinosaurs, was deliberately steered in, and that the Moon was placed in its current position at that time to jump-start more of a mammalian cycle for the Earth by giving us seasons that we wouldn’t have had without it.

Corey: Yeah, interestingly enough, my recent contacts with some of these airmen that escort Sigmund, they told me that I had gotten the dates wrong.

They said, according to their information, this Super Earth blew up 500 million years ago, and that it was 60 or so million years ago that the Moon came into orbit and that a lot of stuff . . . and that also they were telling me that it was really strange, but they were trying to push the dates out much further.

David: Well, my own research would suggest that they might have been disinforming you for some reason . . .

Corey: Yeah, yeah.

David: . . . because I’ve had multiple individuals say the same dates. And the 500,000-year-old date is precisely in the Law of One.

Corey: Right. And this is after Sigmund was missing, and they were asking me about his whereabouts. And so, yeah, there’s a lot of stuff that’s been kind of weird since then.

David: Do we know anything about what these three Reptilian races would have looked like or where did they go?

Corey: Nothing. Possibly, because the Raptor group, it is postulated that they are remnants of the dinosaur race that escaped under Earth, underground, and they escaped the cataclysm. So I don’t know if they could have been one race that survived and three more are missing, but it’s interesting to think about.

David: Hm. So I know we covered the Raptors before, but not everybody is going to have seen all episodes. So could you tell us a little bit more about them? This is a very strange thing, obviously.

Corey: And I found out since then that they have all different sizes and types.

David: Oh, really?

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Corey: Right. And the ones that we see the most have feathered plumes on the back of their necks like birds. They look like a mix between a dinosaur and a bird. They’ve got really jerky bird-like movements.

The opening to where they are is somewhere in the jungles of South America. And they’ve been known to come out and hunt at night.

Now, this is information I’ve been given more recently second-hand. It’s not anything I read on the glass pads.

David: Do they make speech? Can they make speech sounds? Or how do they communicate?

Corey: They communicate telepathically with each other.

David: Oh, so they don’t actually speak.

Corey: Well, they make noises. They have all different types, they . . . just like birds. They have nonverbal communications of different types.

But, yeah, they do not have a voice box. They do not have lips or a tongue, or the gene that everyone who has speech on the Earth has – I doubt very seriously. But they are high intelligence and are pretty ferocious.

David: Are they technological in any sense, or are they just basically a primitive species?

Corey: They’re pretty primitive technologically.

David: Are you aware of any technology that they have?

Corey: Just basic . . . not high technology. Just basic technology.

David: What would be a basic technology?

Corey: Well, you know, like using sticks and rocks or putting things together. They’re not super advanced.

David: Okay. So we have what appears to be a diabolical type of Reptilian race that was growing out of the dinosaurs on Earth. Somebody else comes in and decides that that needs to be sterilized and cleansed. Do the Reptilian groups believe that they still are in control, and they have land and title rights to this planet as a result of thinking that they were here first?

Corey: Yes, that is one of their claims.

David: Okay. So it looks like what we’re seeing, if this did in fact happen, is that these Genetic Farmer groups are actually terraforming, that they’re able to remodel an entire planet based upon a certain desired outcome. Would you say that’s true?

Corey: Yes, that’s part of the Grand Experiment.

David: And if we’ve talked about the Moon – we had William Tompkins say this as well – having just a massive amount of internal structure, is it possible that the Moon could be transporting, literally, an entire biosphere from one planet to another inside of itself as part of this terraforming?

Corey: Well, that is one of the theories, that it’s that ancient.

David: Okay. So if the Genetic Farmers are actively pursuing this type of a strategy, it seems like it’s not just about creating life as we see it today. We are in the middle of something. We are not the end of something. Would you say that’s true?

Corey: Right. Yeah, we’re pretty far along in the Experiment.

David: Oh, we are?

Corey: I would say so. We’re obviously about to reach some sort of a crescendo, so we’d better be a pretty good ways into the Experiment.

David: Would you speculate that the Experiment would conclude fairly soon after the Solar Flash, that whatever they get out of that is the outcome?

Corey: It won’t conclude. It’ll just change – go into a new phase.

David: Okay. So this could actually go on for, in our terms, quite some time.

Corey: It’ll go on until everything returns to Source or whatever happens at the end of time.

David: Would these Genetic Farmer groups acknowledge at some point that we would grow up enough to meet them and be aware of what had happened?

Corey: Definitely. The goal of these programs is to get each planetary sphere and the advanced beings on it to a point of self-management. At a certain point, we will be technologically, spiritually evolved enough to where we will start managing our own genetics and the pace of which we want them to evolve. That is the goal.

They want to get everyone to that point. And at that point, you become a part of this Grand Confederation.

David: You’ve talked before about the galactic slave trade, and the idea that whatever they’ve done here is so much more valuable than in many other places, that we are a highly desired abducted commodity, either as slaves or as a source of genetic material.

Why do you think this planet is so unique in terms of what they were able to accomplish with these programs?

Corey: Most likely because of its location in the local star cluster. It’s right in the middle, right by a supergate, so beings are going to be able to come here easily from anywhere in our galaxy or other galaxies.

David: Do you have any specific information about the actual components of the genetic programs that these guys are running?

Corey: There is a genetic component. There is a spiritual component, and a related component, consciousness component. And the last component is one that we discussed, it’s the cosmic component – all of these working in concert with each other to work in timing with the cosmic component.

David: Okay, that’s interesting because when we talked about this before, you would basically just describe it as a genetic and spiritual component, and it’s like a sliding scale between one or the other.

So now you’re also saying that there’s a consciousness component and a cosmic component as well as a genetic and spiritual.

Corey: Right.

David: So could you delineate what these four categories would represent?

Corey: Right. And we just had never gone this in depth.

David: Okay.

Corey: The genetic program is pretty obvious. They’re harvesting genetics from other star systems, galaxies. And once they’ve gotten to a certain point that they think will be a good catalyst for a different species, they’ll bring it to that planetary sphere and begin to genetically manipulate that species.

They have to stick to cosmic laws very strictly – the laws of free will.

David: Uh huh.

Corey: So one of the largest components of this program – and it took a long time to figure this out – was a lot of the people, if not most, that are being abducted and experimented on, they were incarnations of the soul group, I guess you would call them, of the beings that are doing the experiments.

So basically, let’s just say like an Eban – they don’t normally do that much experimentation on humans – but if they wanted to go down and ethically do experiments on humans, they would have a number of their people leave their bodies, go down, go into incarnation on Earth, and then be a part of the experiment and allowing themselves, in an agreement before they went in, to be genetically experimented on.

David: Are you saying that cosmic law requires you to do that in order to play around with these experiments?

Corey: The cosmic law requires the benevolent ones to do this type of thing.

David: Wow!

Corey: They learn how to skirt these cosmic laws very well without crossing them.

David: Hm. Okay. So you have a genetic component, and you indicated that they are harvesting genetics from another planet. What does that mean? That sounds pretty terrifying.

Corey: Well, they’re getting genetic samples from beings that they have developed to a certain period. And there is a being over here that needs that same development. So to give them a turbo boost, they’ll take those genes, transport them over to this group.

David: It’s not like they’re throwing a being in a blender and then just taking the tissue.

Corey: No.

David: This is a very technical process I assume?

Corey: At this current day, if you were to give a genetic sample, you’re just going to spit in a cup or get a swab.

David: Right.

Corey: They don’t have to put you in a blender.

David: So that’s what you mean by “harvesting”.

Corey: Right.

David: Okay. Then you also said there was a consciousness component to this. And could you explain what the consciousness component is and how that would differ from the spiritual component?

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Corey: Yeah, the consciousness component is related to the spiritual component. The consciousness component is to have the target group, which would be us in this case, develop their consciousness on a schedule that matches the cosmic schedule that’s about to occur. So it’s all managed very carefully.

And consciousness grows at a certain rate that they have calculated, but they’re enhancing it by coming in and giving us different, not just religions, but cultural things. You know, teaching us how to raise animals and all of that civilization kind of . . .

David: Yeah, this is interesting because it appears that if you look at this Atlantean catastrophe of 12,500 years ago, thereabouts, that in the aftermath, we have independent civilizations all over the Earth that seem to develop the technology of milling grain, metallurgy, plumbing, sewage, building technology, mathematics, time measurement, codified law.

You’re saying that these Genetic Farmers are centrally involved in all that type of stuff?

Corey: Yes.

David: And it’s because they’re keeping us on a timeline?

Corey: Well, not necessarily a timeline, but keeping us on schedule for the Cosmic Event. And they want to enhance us much further through this genetic engineering and spiritual engineering process so that when this Event does occur, this Cosmic Event, that we are going to boost much further than we would if we developed naturally.

David: And it would appear that they are allowed to be “gods”, if you will, to show up in person with their craft and in their incarnate forms as they’re going through these stages of a rebooting of civilization like this.

Corey: Yeah, if they’re in the middle of a reboot, but for the most part, no. The positive ones try not to appear in the sky or around human beings or other beings, unless that is one of the catalysts that they’re trying to use to have them grow in consciousness.

David: So if they want to teach us about alchemy, or metallurgy, or astrology, or something like this, and they don’t want to appear, how would they be doing it?

Corey: Well, through leaders. They communicate with people telepathically. They give people ideas. They’ve done that with our scientists for a long time, seeded ideas and information to them subconsciously.

And the spiritual component is very much tied in with the consciousness component. That also has to do with these Genetic Farmers. They are incarnating as us to be a part of this Experiment, but many of them are karmically tied.

Because of the experiments that they’ve been doing, they can’t go any further in their evolutionary process unless we come along with them.

So a lot of their agenda has to do with having us progress so THEY can.

David: Do they all have languages where the name of their group would be something that would be able to be encapsulated in the type of consonant and vowel sounds that we use in our own spoken language?

Corey: Some [names] we’d be able to pronounce.

David: Are there others that have anomalies in how they speak that would not be at all familiar to how we could talk?

Corey: Well, I mean, go to Swaziland or somewhere just here on Earth and you hear the difference in how they communicate – clicking and pops and stuff. So yeah, there’s a wide range of ways that they communicate – different types of languages.

But there is . . . There does seem to be one standard language that they share, that they use.

David: I was sitting down with Graham Hancock for dinner at Contact in the Desert, and we talked about some similar subjects as this. And he reminded me that he wrote an entire book called “Supernatural” in which he discussed this idea that various indigenous cultures are making these cave paintings, and that that may actually be a far more sophisticated language, sort of like a hieroglyphic, that in some ways is tethered to a psychedelic consciousness, where the beings that they’re drawing actually exist somewhere.

So I’m curious if any of the languages that these Genetic Farmers have may involve a type of written hieroglyphic that does have a psychic domain that it activates by looking at it in some way.

Corey: Yes. Yeah, there are a lot of pictographic languages that the non-terrestrials have that in them will evoke that type of response. In us, it may evoke a similar response. It just depends on whether you’re close to them. There are a lot of variables there.

David: So we talked about four components total, and the fourth one was a cosmic component. So where does that fit in with what we’re discussing?

Corey: Well, the cosmic component is that in each region of our galaxy, the way that the galaxy rotates, star systems and star clusters are moving into these high energetic gaseous areas that are a catalyst for this.

And they calculate how quickly you’re moving into it. A lot of these energies they say have been hitting us since at least the 1930s, but they’ve been increasing, increasing.

So what they’ve been doing, the Genetic Farmer groups, is that they’ve been engineering humans genetically and also working on our consciousness and spirituality in a way to where when we get to the crescendo of this energy influx that we will be ready to make a turbo jump in changing densities, in changing consciousness, as opposed to if they hadn’t have interfered, we would just be a slightly different version.

David: There’s a lot of really interesting stuff in this Genetic Farmer subject for me, because the last time I ever used alcohol and drugs was on a Friday night. And I went to AA meetings starting on a Saturday.

And that same weekend, I believe on Sunday, I wrote this long essay about Earth. It was called “Earth as an Experiment.”

And I was describing the idea that there were ETs that were setting all of this up of our lives on Earth as part of a grand spiritual experiment.

Do you think these Genetic Farmer groups show up as people?

Corey: Well, definitely. They incarnate as people, as human beings. So they will incarnate as a human being. And at the end of that lifetime, their people will come and retrieve that soul and add it back to their collective. They usually have a backup body for them.

In fact, in the programs, in the beginning, there was some confusion, because some of these beings were coming in that we weren’t real familiar with and abducting people and returning their, basically, dead bodies.

And what finally occurred is that when we captured some of them and interrogated them, we found out that they were here retrieving some of their people who had died in crashes here thousands of years ago.

David: Hm.

Corey: And their people got caught up in the reincarnation cycle here on Earth. And what they had to do is locate their people, remove them and remove the souls and put the souls into another container, and they would return the bodies. So they saw it as a rescue mission, and a lot of the people in the programs thought there was something more nefarious going on.

David: Yeah, that wouldn’t sound as much like one of the benevolent groups as a group that’s probably more just tinkering around but without so much of a spiritual focus.

Corey: Right, but from the perspective of this group, they’re basically like “Star Trek Voyager” coming in to rescue some of their teammates that have been missing for 1,000 years or so.

So they have a completely different perspective on it.

David: So how much memory do these, as they’re called in “The Law of One”, the Wanderers . . . how much memory do these Wanderers have of who they really are once they become human?

Corey: They’re basically a blank slate when they get here to keep them from violating the laws that they’re trying to circumvent by incarnating here. So that’s a part of circumventing those laws is to incarnate here as a blank slate.

David: What would allow one of these people to escape the reincarnation cycle? You said once they come in they have to reincarnate.

Corey: In our incarnation cycle, reincarnation cycle, for as much time as it takes them to, I guess, evolve out of it, which they can do a lot quicker since they’ve done it before, they’re usually a species much more advanced than us, of course.

But also what can happen is they can be rescued. If they’re not rescued, they’re stuck here until they complete the cycle.

David: From what you’re describing, it sounds like some people might interpret this as if they’re getting into a soul trap by coming here.

Corey: Well, their soul DOES get trapped, but what occurs is that each planetary sphere has its own reincarnation cycle. And if they get caught up in it and don’t have anyone to rescue them, then they’re going to have to stay in it until they are able to get out through quick evolution.

David: In “The Law of One”, it says that any Wanderer that engages in a consciously unloving act towards others gets caught up in this reincarnation cycle. That’s actually stated in there.

I’m wondering if anything that you’ve heard personally would validate that idea.

Corey: I mean, the validation of that idea is basically the report that when these craft have crashed in the past, they’ve gotten stuck in our reincarnation cycle. So that would correlate.

David: Right. So let me ask you this. Are all of these various ET groups – you said there was 40 or 60 of them at various Super Federation meetings – are they all basically cooperating with each other and working for the same goal?

Corey: They’re working for the same overall goal, and they’re loosely cooperating with each other, and they have treaties and agreements, but they are not working in concert with each other.

A lot of these programs are competing programs as well. That’s why they have kept their experiments separate from each other. And they’ve instilled religious things like, “Do not mix with other races”. They didn’t want to pollute their experiment with another experiment.

David: Would they ever actually abduct someone outside of their own group for any reason?

Corey: Yeah. Often these groups, they keep tabs on each other’s experiments. And oftentimes, they try to sabotage each other’s experiments.

David: Hm.

Corey: What will happen is they will go and abduct an experiment, or a person that is an experiment from one group, and get the genetic information, do evaluations of their spiritual and consciousness level to keep tabs on how quickly their competitor’s experiment is proceeding.

David: So you said that religion is one of the ways that these groups are partitioned. So are you basically saying that geographic regions with particular races and their own separate special spoken language, that those are all actually separate programs?

Corey: Well, yes. And the fact that these different races on Earth are found in different regions separated by oceans, usually, that is done on purpose to keep these experiments from intermingling and polluting one another.

And that’s where a lot of the social programming, religious programming, has come in. You know, “don’t marry outside of your race” – a lot of instilling of racism to make it “us against them”.

They want us to self-manage on that level and not interbreed and mix with each other. That will pollute their experiments.

David: What would be the goal of them competing with each other like this? Is it about prestige?

Is there some sense of winning if one group proceeds faster or develops faster spiritually or technologically?

Corey: I don’t think it’s that type of competition. They want to see their agenda completed first.

And before all the treaties, a lot of these 22 different groups were battling with each other. When they first come into an area that has not been controlled by one of these Genetic Farmer groups, they have a whole routine of making claims, and there are skirmishes over claims.

So they go through this whole process, which usually ends in some sort of a treaty which they abide to until that experiment reaches the point of this cosmic portion of the program.

David: If you’re saying that there are 22 different groups, and there are also up to 60 attendees of races, . . .

Corey: 22 different programs.

David: Okay.

Corey: 60 attendees. And some of these attendees, there will be like five groups working on one genetic program together.

David: Okay. That’s what I thought.

Corey: And then some of them will be working on more than one program. They’ll be working on other programs that are not in competition with theirs.

David: So you could actually have one particular culture on Earth in a geographically isolated region that might have as many as five different ET groups that would be working with them, incarnating among them? This kind of thing?

Corey: Yeah, and some of them might be just taking the genetic component. Others might be appearing to certain people on the ground and giving them religious ideology. Some of them might just be appearing to give them a boost in civilization, technology for civilization.

So they work in concert with each other.

David: I’m curious about the population density of some of these groups on Earth, because it seems to me that someone might erroneously conclude that you would have only a few categories of these programs, given the fact that there’s only a few major monotheistic religions.

But what I’m hearing is, just like in medieval Europe, you have countries that are separated by mountain ranges or water, etc.

You might have something that we would think of as a country that could be its own genetic program, not just that it’s a race or it’s one particular religion, per se.

Corey: Right, regions.

David: Okay. So there could actually be a number of different geographically diverse regions that have their own experiments running in some sense.

Corey: Right. And sometimes multiple experiments, if they coincide with each other.

David: Hm. So in “The Law of One”, people that have this type of heritage are called “Wanderers”. They’re also frequently called “Starseeds”. And I would imagine that probably the majority of the people who watch our show would be ET souls, given what we know about them and how long I’ve been studying this, ever since 1996.

What would you say is a message that you could give to those people that might help them understand who they are, what they’re doing here, and what their purpose might be?

Corey: Well, I guess the hardest thing for most of them to believe is that they agreed to come here and experience all of this. Remembering that you, on some level, agreed to experience all this is the best way to keep yourself grounded, I think.

David: What would be a spiritual guideline for those people in terms of understanding what their purpose is for being here?

Corey: Well, most of those people are drawn to those things already, to eating properly, to raising their vibration through the type of information they watch and bring in, and meditating, that kind of a thing – and also mingling with people that are birds of a feather, I guess you would say.

David: It seems to me that a lot of people really get trapped into what esoterics would call “victim consciousness”, this idea that they are being oppressed by something that is gargantuan and totally beyond their control. And a lot of people seem to “sign off” on personal responsibility and move into that very comfortable skin of the victim role.

What would you say, in light of people that would be prone to thinking that way because they’re awakened to the truth, learning that they volunteered to do this, that they volunteered to be here?

Corey: Well, we’re learning that maybe we’re not victims after all. This victim mentality, maybe that’s just another psyop. Maybe once we realize what we are and our true potential, we will feel empowered and not like victims anymore.

David: Hm. I like that. All right. Well, that’s all the time we have for in this episode regarding the Grand Experiment. I hope you’ve enjoyed it. It’s very fascinating to me with the history of being a Wanderer and awakening to that in 1996.

I’m David Wilcock here with Corey Goode. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”, and I thank you for watching.

COSMIC DISCLOSURE: THE GRAND EXPERIMENT

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David Wilcock: All right. Welcome back to “Cosmic Disclosure”. I’m your host, David Wilcock. I’m here with Corey Goode, and in this episode, we’re going to get into the Grand Experiment.

This is something that is of particular interest to me, and I’m sure to many of you watching this program, because this Experiment affects people who are human but may not fit in and may in fact have ET souls.

So here for more information is Corey Goode. Corey, welcome back to the show.

Corey Goode: Thank you.

David: So we’ve talked about the idea that there was a Super Earth in our Solar System that exploded 500,000 years ago, and that it deactivated some sort of protective grid around our own Solar System and neighboring systems as well.

And you said that shortly after this, a bunch of groups of ETs came in. And could you tell us a little bit about them just to recap? Who are they, and what do they want?

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Corey: Yes, they’ve been referred to as this Genetic Farmer race. And they’ve been on some sort of a mandate throughout the galaxy to spread advanced life, and to monitor and assist the development of that life, as well as the spiritual development of that life.

David: Could you define “advanced life?”

Corey: Advanced life would be, I guess, like a human being.

David: Okay. So at what point did you become aware of this existing?

Corey: I first became aware of this program when I was around the age of 13, and I was in these MILAB . . . what we’re calling the MILAB programs.

David: Okay.

Corey: Once I had been put through the process of receiving the full dose of the serum that they were giving me for intuitive empaths, I was also about at the end of the training, and they wanted to have me out in the field.

So around age 13, they took me to . . . which we’ve done an episode about . . . they took me to this Super Federation base outside of Jupiter.

And I’ve described before how when we would fly into this temporal anomaly, that you ended up in a giant, like, a bubble in space, that you couldn’t see stars. It was just pitch black.

And the space station was sitting right there in the middle, and you would see craft going to and from, from different races. And they were coming to have a meeting.

David: So why would ETs doing this be interested in a 13-year-old kid?

Corey: They had no interest in me whatsoever. I was there as one of three IEsupports. They usually would have three intuitive empaths with them to help triangulate any type of deception, danger, anything like that.

David: Okay.

Corey: And as I’ve described before, they brought us into the main meeting hall, and we sat in sort of a horseshoe fashion in a delegate seat. And at that point, they were giving us smart-glass pads to keep ourselves busy.

And I was starting to read information in those about the group that I was there to support and the different genetic programs that they were involved in.

And that’s when I found out that there were 22 different programs.

David: Were you there to support an ET group? Is that what you were involved in?

Corey: No, I was there to support the Earth delegation, but I was there to monitor everyone other than the Earth delegation.

David: So even though this Earth delegation is not elected, on some level, they represent us for this council?

Corey: Right. They rotate in. The seat rotates to different people on Earth.

David: And what would be our role in these negotiations? What are we fighting for? What do we want? Why are we there?

Corey: We don’t have a role. It’s just an observation. We’re just there to observe. And that was granted fairly recently, from what I’m told.

David: Did they ever intend for this information to be known to the general public, or do they want it to stay strictly classified?

Corey: Classified.

David: The beings that you saw in this Super Federation, how extraterrestrial would they look to us?

Corey: Well, there were 60 plus different groups. So some of them looked very similar to us in size . . . not in size but in configuration – you know, humanoid.

But a lot of them were very human-looking. They just had slightly different skin colors. I mean, they looked slightly different, but they looked fairly human.

There were some that were obviously a part of this Pre-Adamite group, the more ancient one. They were taller, and they had the elongated skulls.

There was even the ones that I had talked about in the previous episode we did, with green skin and black hair.

David: Do we know how local they are in terms of positions in our galaxy? Do they come from all over the galaxy, or is it more of a local area?

Corey: No, they come from all over the galaxy. Our local star cluster was once protected by a barrier, as we’ve discussed, by the Ancient Builder Race.

David: Right.

Corey: And once that was brought down from the inside by some of the inhabitants, these groups finally had access to all of this new, rich genetic stock. It was a very exciting time for them. They had not had access.

The only genetic programming that had gone on inside this bubble, if you wish, were groups that had become advanced themselves genetically and were traveling around within that local star cluster doing genetic experiments. And that had been going on for a billion years.

David: Just to review something that I believe you said before, are the people that evolve on planets in our local star cluster going to look more like us in general?

Corey: For the most part, they look very similar. Yes.

David: Okay.

Corey: There are different types that aren’t as mammalian-looking.

David: It seems to me that we’re pretty clear now that the Secret Space Program was being run by the Cabal, that there were some very negative aspects to it.

The term “Genetic Farmer”, to me, sounds kind of derogatory. And I’m wondering if perhaps what they’re doing might be actually more benevolent for human life on Earth than how the Cabal-run Secret Space Program might have been seeing it at that time.

Corey: When you are the petri dish, or the rat in the cage, your perspective is a little bit different than if you’re the one wearing the white coat.

David: But wouldn’t you say that the basic idea of what they’re up to . . . People hear the term “Genetic Farmer”, they might think that this is some kind of slave mill in which human genetics are being used for food or something like that.

Whereas what you’ve described before sounds more like an ascension plan, that they’re trying to help us.

Corey: Right. It is a spiritual and genetic plan, or program of evolution, that is working in concert with the cosmic changes occurring in different regions.

These cosmic . . . In different parts of the galaxy, these energetic influxes have occurred at different times and in slightly different ways. And they’re working with the local populations in concert with those cosmic changes to enhance their DNA and to enhance their consciousness.

David: I was recently going through the Hindu sacred texts using a search engine, and I found approximately . . . and it’s not exactly clear if they’re all individual or not, but I found approximately 188 references to the Solar Flash.

Everybody talks about this Solar Flash, and you have groups that are Reptilian groups called the Rakshasas. You have clearly groups like Krishna that have blue skin but are human-looking.

There’s a variety of groups that were on Earth at that time. And in these books, the Vedas, they talk about the Solar Flash as if everybody knows that this is going to happen. The Sun is going to give off this big flash at the end of the age, and that there is some kind of transformation of life on Earth.

So do you think that there is some relationship between the Genetic Farmers and what’s going on in the Hindu ancient texts?

Corey: Yes, because this flash they’re talking about is just a byproduct of these cosmic changes that are occurring, these energetic changes. So yeah, it’s a direct tie-in.

David: It’s interesting, because it’s like reading other people’s mail. Everybody takes it for granted. They all know this is going to happen. There’s no question that it happens.

Corey: It’s happened before.

David: Yeah, so it’s something they consider just to be a basic fact, like we would say that the color red is on a stop sign. Same thing.

So if they are trying to promote our Ascension, what is the difference for us when this Solar Flash would occur as opposed to if we were just out in the boondocks and nobody had ever done any of these experiments on us? What’s the difference?

Corey: Well, I’d like to think that there’s some sort of structure to the cosmos. I think that most likely you would still be advancing but at a much, much slower rate. This is like putting turbo speed on the Ascension process.

David: It’s almost like the analogy of the jack-in-the-box, where we’re spring-loaded and POW! Something happens when the Solar Flash takes place.

Corey: Right.

David: What was the history of intelligent life on Earth, if any, prior to the catastrophe of half a million years ago where the Super Earth blew up? Was there any human life or intelligent life on Earth before that?

Corey: Well, interestingly enough, this Reptilian or Saurian group that has been in conflict with humanity for so long, claims that they originally were stewards of the Earth, and that they had their own experiment going on here, that some of these races that now have a mammalian experiment going on had sterilized their experiment, and that in doing so, they had lost three races.

David: Hm. Three different intelligent species?

Corey: They said there were three lost races because of this cleansing that took place. So that’s one of the claims made by the Reptilians that I have not had verified.

David: The insider, Bruce, who gave me a lot of the information for “Ascension Mysteries”, said that the prevailing opinion within his insider clique now is that the asteroid, or whatever it was that destroyed the dinosaurs, was deliberately steered in, and that the Moon was placed in its current position at that time to jump-start more of a mammalian cycle for the Earth by giving us seasons that we wouldn’t have had without it.

Corey: Yeah, interestingly enough, my recent contacts with some of these airmen that escort Sigmund, they told me that I had gotten the dates wrong.

They said, according to their information, this Super Earth blew up 500 million years ago, and that it was 60 or so million years ago that the Moon came into orbit and that a lot of stuff . . . and that also they were telling me that it was really strange, but they were trying to push the dates out much further.

David: Well, my own research would suggest that they might have been disinforming you for some reason . . .

Corey: Yeah, yeah.

David: . . . because I’ve had multiple individuals say the same dates. And the 500,000-year-old date is precisely in the Law of One.

Corey: Right. And this is after Sigmund was missing, and they were asking me about his whereabouts. And so, yeah, there’s a lot of stuff that’s been kind of weird since then.

David: Do we know anything about what these three Reptilian races would have looked like or where did they go?

Corey: Nothing. Possibly, because the Raptor group, it is postulated that they are remnants of the dinosaur race that escaped under Earth, underground, and they escaped the cataclysm. So I don’t know if they could have been one race that survived and three more are missing, but it’s interesting to think about.

David: Hm. So I know we covered the Raptors before, but not everybody is going to have seen all episodes. So could you tell us a little bit more about them? This is a very strange thing, obviously.

Corey: And I found out since then that they have all different sizes and types.

David: Oh, really?

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Corey: Right. And the ones that we see the most have feathered plumes on the back of their necks like birds. They look like a mix between a dinosaur and a bird. They’ve got really jerky bird-like movements.

The opening to where they are is somewhere in the jungles of South America. And they’ve been known to come out and hunt at night.

Now, this is information I’ve been given more recently second-hand. It’s not anything I read on the glass pads.

David: Do they make speech? Can they make speech sounds? Or how do they communicate?

Corey: They communicate telepathically with each other.

David: Oh, so they don’t actually speak.

Corey: Well, they make noises. They have all different types, they . . . just like birds. They have nonverbal communications of different types.

But, yeah, they do not have a voice box. They do not have lips or a tongue, or the gene that everyone who has speech on the Earth has – I doubt very seriously. But they are high intelligence and are pretty ferocious.

David: Are they technological in any sense, or are they just basically a primitive species?

Corey: They’re pretty primitive technologically.

David: Are you aware of any technology that they have?

Corey: Just basic . . . not high technology. Just basic technology.

David: What would be a basic technology?

Corey: Well, you know, like using sticks and rocks or putting things together. They’re not super advanced.

David: Okay. So we have what appears to be a diabolical type of Reptilian race that was growing out of the dinosaurs on Earth. Somebody else comes in and decides that that needs to be sterilized and cleansed. Do the Reptilian groups believe that they still are in control, and they have land and title rights to this planet as a result of thinking that they were here first?

Corey: Yes, that is one of their claims.

David: Okay. So it looks like what we’re seeing, if this did in fact happen, is that these Genetic Farmer groups are actually terraforming, that they’re able to remodel an entire planet based upon a certain desired outcome. Would you say that’s true?

Corey: Yes, that’s part of the Grand Experiment.

David: And if we’ve talked about the Moon – we had William Tompkins say this as well – having just a massive amount of internal structure, is it possible that the Moon could be transporting, literally, an entire biosphere from one planet to another inside of itself as part of this terraforming?

Corey: Well, that is one of the theories, that it’s that ancient.

David: Okay. So if the Genetic Farmers are actively pursuing this type of a strategy, it seems like it’s not just about creating life as we see it today. We are in the middle of something. We are not the end of something. Would you say that’s true?

Corey: Right. Yeah, we’re pretty far along in the Experiment.

David: Oh, we are?

Corey: I would say so. We’re obviously about to reach some sort of a crescendo, so we’d better be a pretty good ways into the Experiment.

David: Would you speculate that the Experiment would conclude fairly soon after the Solar Flash, that whatever they get out of that is the outcome?

Corey: It won’t conclude. It’ll just change – go into a new phase.

David: Okay. So this could actually go on for, in our terms, quite some time.

Corey: It’ll go on until everything returns to Source or whatever happens at the end of time.

David: Would these Genetic Farmer groups acknowledge at some point that we would grow up enough to meet them and be aware of what had happened?

Corey: Definitely. The goal of these programs is to get each planetary sphere and the advanced beings on it to a point of self-management. At a certain point, we will be technologically, spiritually evolved enough to where we will start managing our own genetics and the pace of which we want them to evolve. That is the goal.

They want to get everyone to that point. And at that point, you become a part of this Grand Confederation.

David: You’ve talked before about the galactic slave trade, and the idea that whatever they’ve done here is so much more valuable than in many other places, that we are a highly desired abducted commodity, either as slaves or as a source of genetic material.

Why do you think this planet is so unique in terms of what they were able to accomplish with these programs?

Corey: Most likely because of its location in the local star cluster. It’s right in the middle, right by a supergate, so beings are going to be able to come here easily from anywhere in our galaxy or other galaxies.

David: Do you have any specific information about the actual components of the genetic programs that these guys are running?

Corey: There is a genetic component. There is a spiritual component, and a related component, consciousness component. And the last component is one that we discussed, it’s the cosmic component – all of these working in concert with each other to work in timing with the cosmic component.

David: Okay, that’s interesting because when we talked about this before, you would basically just describe it as a genetic and spiritual component, and it’s like a sliding scale between one or the other.

So now you’re also saying that there’s a consciousness component and a cosmic component as well as a genetic and spiritual.

Corey: Right.

David: So could you delineate what these four categories would represent?

Corey: Right. And we just had never gone this in depth.

David: Okay.

Corey: The genetic program is pretty obvious. They’re harvesting genetics from other star systems, galaxies. And once they’ve gotten to a certain point that they think will be a good catalyst for a different species, they’ll bring it to that planetary sphere and begin to genetically manipulate that species.

They have to stick to cosmic laws very strictly – the laws of free will.

David: Uh huh.

Corey: So one of the largest components of this program – and it took a long time to figure this out – was a lot of the people, if not most, that are being abducted and experimented on, they were incarnations of the soul group, I guess you would call them, of the beings that are doing the experiments.

So basically, let’s just say like an Eban – they don’t normally do that much experimentation on humans – but if they wanted to go down and ethically do experiments on humans, they would have a number of their people leave their bodies, go down, go into incarnation on Earth, and then be a part of the experiment and allowing themselves, in an agreement before they went in, to be genetically experimented on.

David: Are you saying that cosmic law requires you to do that in order to play around with these experiments?

Corey: The cosmic law requires the benevolent ones to do this type of thing.

David: Wow!

Corey: They learn how to skirt these cosmic laws very well without crossing them.

David: Hm. Okay. So you have a genetic component, and you indicated that they are harvesting genetics from another planet. What does that mean? That sounds pretty terrifying.

Corey: Well, they’re getting genetic samples from beings that they have developed to a certain period. And there is a being over here that needs that same development. So to give them a turbo boost, they’ll take those genes, transport them over to this group.

David: It’s not like they’re throwing a being in a blender and then just taking the tissue.

Corey: No.

David: This is a very technical process I assume?

Corey: At this current day, if you were to give a genetic sample, you’re just going to spit in a cup or get a swab.

David: Right.

Corey: They don’t have to put you in a blender.

David: So that’s what you mean by “harvesting”.

Corey: Right.

David: Okay. Then you also said there was a consciousness component to this. And could you explain what the consciousness component is and how that would differ from the spiritual component?

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Corey: Yeah, the consciousness component is related to the spiritual component. The consciousness component is to have the target group, which would be us in this case, develop their consciousness on a schedule that matches the cosmic schedule that’s about to occur. So it’s all managed very carefully.

And consciousness grows at a certain rate that they have calculated, but they’re enhancing it by coming in and giving us different, not just religions, but cultural things. You know, teaching us how to raise animals and all of that civilization kind of . . .

David: Yeah, this is interesting because it appears that if you look at this Atlantean catastrophe of 12,500 years ago, thereabouts, that in the aftermath, we have independent civilizations all over the Earth that seem to develop the technology of milling grain, metallurgy, plumbing, sewage, building technology, mathematics, time measurement, codified law.

You’re saying that these Genetic Farmers are centrally involved in all that type of stuff?

Corey: Yes.

David: And it’s because they’re keeping us on a timeline?

Corey: Well, not necessarily a timeline, but keeping us on schedule for the Cosmic Event. And they want to enhance us much further through this genetic engineering and spiritual engineering process so that when this Event does occur, this Cosmic Event, that we are going to boost much further than we would if we developed naturally.

David: And it would appear that they are allowed to be “gods”, if you will, to show up in person with their craft and in their incarnate forms as they’re going through these stages of a rebooting of civilization like this.

Corey: Yeah, if they’re in the middle of a reboot, but for the most part, no. The positive ones try not to appear in the sky or around human beings or other beings, unless that is one of the catalysts that they’re trying to use to have them grow in consciousness.

David: So if they want to teach us about alchemy, or metallurgy, or astrology, or something like this, and they don’t want to appear, how would they be doing it?

Corey: Well, through leaders. They communicate with people telepathically. They give people ideas. They’ve done that with our scientists for a long time, seeded ideas and information to them subconsciously.

And the spiritual component is very much tied in with the consciousness component. That also has to do with these Genetic Farmers. They are incarnating as us to be a part of this Experiment, but many of them are karmically tied.

Because of the experiments that they’ve been doing, they can’t go any further in their evolutionary process unless we come along with them.

So a lot of their agenda has to do with having us progress so THEY can.

David: Do they all have languages where the name of their group would be something that would be able to be encapsulated in the type of consonant and vowel sounds that we use in our own spoken language?

Corey: Some [names] we’d be able to pronounce.

David: Are there others that have anomalies in how they speak that would not be at all familiar to how we could talk?

Corey: Well, I mean, go to Swaziland or somewhere just here on Earth and you hear the difference in how they communicate – clicking and pops and stuff. So yeah, there’s a wide range of ways that they communicate – different types of languages.

But there is . . . There does seem to be one standard language that they share, that they use.

David: I was sitting down with Graham Hancock for dinner at Contact in the Desert, and we talked about some similar subjects as this. And he reminded me that he wrote an entire book called “Supernatural” in which he discussed this idea that various indigenous cultures are making these cave paintings, and that that may actually be a far more sophisticated language, sort of like a hieroglyphic, that in some ways is tethered to a psychedelic consciousness, where the beings that they’re drawing actually exist somewhere.

So I’m curious if any of the languages that these Genetic Farmers have may involve a type of written hieroglyphic that does have a psychic domain that it activates by looking at it in some way.

Corey: Yes. Yeah, there are a lot of pictographic languages that the non-terrestrials have that in them will evoke that type of response. In us, it may evoke a similar response. It just depends on whether you’re close to them. There are a lot of variables there.

David: So we talked about four components total, and the fourth one was a cosmic component. So where does that fit in with what we’re discussing?

Corey: Well, the cosmic component is that in each region of our galaxy, the way that the galaxy rotates, star systems and star clusters are moving into these high energetic gaseous areas that are a catalyst for this.

And they calculate how quickly you’re moving into it. A lot of these energies they say have been hitting us since at least the 1930s, but they’ve been increasing, increasing.

So what they’ve been doing, the Genetic Farmer groups, is that they’ve been engineering humans genetically and also working on our consciousness and spirituality in a way to where when we get to the crescendo of this energy influx that we will be ready to make a turbo jump in changing densities, in changing consciousness, as opposed to if they hadn’t have interfered, we would just be a slightly different version.

David: There’s a lot of really interesting stuff in this Genetic Farmer subject for me, because the last time I ever used alcohol and drugs was on a Friday night. And I went to AA meetings starting on a Saturday.

And that same weekend, I believe on Sunday, I wrote this long essay about Earth. It was called “Earth as an Experiment.”

And I was describing the idea that there were ETs that were setting all of this up of our lives on Earth as part of a grand spiritual experiment.

Do you think these Genetic Farmer groups show up as people?

Corey: Well, definitely. They incarnate as people, as human beings. So they will incarnate as a human being. And at the end of that lifetime, their people will come and retrieve that soul and add it back to their collective. They usually have a backup body for them.

In fact, in the programs, in the beginning, there was some confusion, because some of these beings were coming in that we weren’t real familiar with and abducting people and returning their, basically, dead bodies.

And what finally occurred is that when we captured some of them and interrogated them, we found out that they were here retrieving some of their people who had died in crashes here thousands of years ago.

David: Hm.

Corey: And their people got caught up in the reincarnation cycle here on Earth. And what they had to do is locate their people, remove them and remove the souls and put the souls into another container, and they would return the bodies. So they saw it as a rescue mission, and a lot of the people in the programs thought there was something more nefarious going on.

David: Yeah, that wouldn’t sound as much like one of the benevolent groups as a group that’s probably more just tinkering around but without so much of a spiritual focus.

Corey: Right, but from the perspective of this group, they’re basically like “Star Trek Voyager” coming in to rescue some of their teammates that have been missing for 1,000 years or so.

So they have a completely different perspective on it.

David: So how much memory do these, as they’re called in “The Law of One”, the Wanderers . . . how much memory do these Wanderers have of who they really are once they become human?

Corey: They’re basically a blank slate when they get here to keep them from violating the laws that they’re trying to circumvent by incarnating here. So that’s a part of circumventing those laws is to incarnate here as a blank slate.

David: What would allow one of these people to escape the reincarnation cycle? You said once they come in they have to reincarnate.

Corey: In our incarnation cycle, reincarnation cycle, for as much time as it takes them to, I guess, evolve out of it, which they can do a lot quicker since they’ve done it before, they’re usually a species much more advanced than us, of course.

But also what can happen is they can be rescued. If they’re not rescued, they’re stuck here until they complete the cycle.

David: From what you’re describing, it sounds like some people might interpret this as if they’re getting into a soul trap by coming here.

Corey: Well, their soul DOES get trapped, but what occurs is that each planetary sphere has its own reincarnation cycle. And if they get caught up in it and don’t have anyone to rescue them, then they’re going to have to stay in it until they are able to get out through quick evolution.

David: In “The Law of One”, it says that any Wanderer that engages in a consciously unloving act towards others gets caught up in this reincarnation cycle. That’s actually stated in there.

I’m wondering if anything that you’ve heard personally would validate that idea.

Corey: I mean, the validation of that idea is basically the report that when these craft have crashed in the past, they’ve gotten stuck in our reincarnation cycle. So that would correlate.

David: Right. So let me ask you this. Are all of these various ET groups – you said there was 40 or 60 of them at various Super Federation meetings – are they all basically cooperating with each other and working for the same goal?

Corey: They’re working for the same overall goal, and they’re loosely cooperating with each other, and they have treaties and agreements, but they are not working in concert with each other.

A lot of these programs are competing programs as well. That’s why they have kept their experiments separate from each other. And they’ve instilled religious things like, “Do not mix with other races”. They didn’t want to pollute their experiment with another experiment.

David: Would they ever actually abduct someone outside of their own group for any reason?

Corey: Yeah. Often these groups, they keep tabs on each other’s experiments. And oftentimes, they try to sabotage each other’s experiments.

David: Hm.

Corey: What will happen is they will go and abduct an experiment, or a person that is an experiment from one group, and get the genetic information, do evaluations of their spiritual and consciousness level to keep tabs on how quickly their competitor’s experiment is proceeding.

David: So you said that religion is one of the ways that these groups are partitioned. So are you basically saying that geographic regions with particular races and their own separate special spoken language, that those are all actually separate programs?

Corey: Well, yes. And the fact that these different races on Earth are found in different regions separated by oceans, usually, that is done on purpose to keep these experiments from intermingling and polluting one another.

And that’s where a lot of the social programming, religious programming, has come in. You know, “don’t marry outside of your race” – a lot of instilling of racism to make it “us against them”.

They want us to self-manage on that level and not interbreed and mix with each other. That will pollute their experiments.

David: What would be the goal of them competing with each other like this? Is it about prestige?

Is there some sense of winning if one group proceeds faster or develops faster spiritually or technologically?

Corey: I don’t think it’s that type of competition. They want to see their agenda completed first.

And before all the treaties, a lot of these 22 different groups were battling with each other. When they first come into an area that has not been controlled by one of these Genetic Farmer groups, they have a whole routine of making claims, and there are skirmishes over claims.

So they go through this whole process, which usually ends in some sort of a treaty which they abide to until that experiment reaches the point of this cosmic portion of the program.

David: If you’re saying that there are 22 different groups, and there are also up to 60 attendees of races, . . .

Corey: 22 different programs.

David: Okay.

Corey: 60 attendees. And some of these attendees, there will be like five groups working on one genetic program together.

David: Okay. That’s what I thought.

Corey: And then some of them will be working on more than one program. They’ll be working on other programs that are not in competition with theirs.

David: So you could actually have one particular culture on Earth in a geographically isolated region that might have as many as five different ET groups that would be working with them, incarnating among them? This kind of thing?

Corey: Yeah, and some of them might be just taking the genetic component. Others might be appearing to certain people on the ground and giving them religious ideology. Some of them might just be appearing to give them a boost in civilization, technology for civilization.

So they work in concert with each other.

David: I’m curious about the population density of some of these groups on Earth, because it seems to me that someone might erroneously conclude that you would have only a few categories of these programs, given the fact that there’s only a few major monotheistic religions.

But what I’m hearing is, just like in medieval Europe, you have countries that are separated by mountain ranges or water, etc.

You might have something that we would think of as a country that could be its own genetic program, not just that it’s a race or it’s one particular religion, per se.

Corey: Right, regions.

David: Okay. So there could actually be a number of different geographically diverse regions that have their own experiments running in some sense.

Corey: Right. And sometimes multiple experiments, if they coincide with each other.

David: Hm. So in “The Law of One”, people that have this type of heritage are called “Wanderers”. They’re also frequently called “Starseeds”. And I would imagine that probably the majority of the people who watch our show would be ET souls, given what we know about them and how long I’ve been studying this, ever since 1996.

What would you say is a message that you could give to those people that might help them understand who they are, what they’re doing here, and what their purpose might be?

Corey: Well, I guess the hardest thing for most of them to believe is that they agreed to come here and experience all of this. Remembering that you, on some level, agreed to experience all this is the best way to keep yourself grounded, I think.

David: What would be a spiritual guideline for those people in terms of understanding what their purpose is for being here?

Corey: Well, most of those people are drawn to those things already, to eating properly, to raising their vibration through the type of information they watch and bring in, and meditating, that kind of a thing – and also mingling with people that are birds of a feather, I guess you would say.

David: It seems to me that a lot of people really get trapped into what esoterics would call “victim consciousness”, this idea that they are being oppressed by something that is gargantuan and totally beyond their control. And a lot of people seem to “sign off” on personal responsibility and move into that very comfortable skin of the victim role.

What would you say, in light of people that would be prone to thinking that way because they’re awakened to the truth, learning that they volunteered to do this, that they volunteered to be here?

Corey: Well, we’re learning that maybe we’re not victims after all. This victim mentality, maybe that’s just another psyop. Maybe once we realize what we are and our true potential, we will feel empowered and not like victims anymore.

David: Hm. I like that. All right. Well, that’s all the time we have for in this episode regarding the Grand Experiment. I hope you’ve enjoyed it. It’s very fascinating to me with the history of being a Wanderer and awakening to that in 1996.

I’m David Wilcock here with Corey Goode. This is “Cosmic Disclosure”, and I thank you for watching.

US Special Forces Arrest Satanic Pedophile Group – the Antarctica Connection

Source: Exopolitics

According to a retired FBI and career military source, US Special Forces acting under the authority of the Department of Defense and with other global military authorities have been arresting members of a Satanic pedophile group that has infiltrated multiple levels of government in the United States, European Union, and other national governments. The numbers of individuals associated with the global pedophile group according to the source, who chooses to remain anonymous, has greatly exceeded what the military had expected.

The retired FBI/military source shared a six page report of what the Special Forces had discovered with secret space program whistleblower, Corey Goode. Goode says that he has known the source since 2008 when they met in several courses organized by the Department of Homeland Security.

In a personal skype communication, Goode shared certificates of two courses he says he attended with the source who sat by him, and where they had “a conversation about conspiracies, ET/UFO/SSP.” Goode’s long association with the source and his military/law enforcement background supports the reliability of the information he passed on to Goode.

 

Course completed by Corey Goode & FBI/Military Source Course attended by Corey Goode & FBI/Military Source

On August 9, Goode released an update about what his FBI/military source had told him. He begins by describing the history of his relationship with his FBI/Military source:

I have recently had meetings with a highly placed contact. I met him in the FEMA Mass Casualties response course when I was still in the Texas State Guard. He stopped talking to me when I beganCosmic Disclosure. He suddenly contacted me again right after the elections had concluded. He shared a cluster of Intel with me before going dark again… Until now.

Goode’s secret space program disclosures through his Cosmic Disclosure show with David Wilcock beginning in July 2015, led to his FBI/military source backing away from Goode, presumably for him sharing highly sensitive military information about secret space programs.

For those who have followed Goode’s information, he says that in early 2016, he was abducted multiple times by personnel from a US Air Force run secret space program that were trying to find the sources that were leaking him sensitive military information.

Apparently, the USAF run program determined that Goode’s information was accurate and coming from off-planet sources. The senior USAF officer running Goode’s interrogations, “Sigmund” then began sharing sensitive information with Goode about Antarctica, and arranged for him to give briefings to select aerospace officials. In return, the USAF space program wanted to learn what Goode’s off planet sources were telling him.

Shortly after the positive change in his relationship with the USAF Secret Space Program, Goode’s FBI/military source began sharing information again. Goode wrote about what his source had told him immediately after the election of President Donald Trump:

I had reported that there were teams of US Special Forces that were conducting domestic surveillance and investigations of a Satanic group that had infiltrated all aspects of government agencies and the military. These Special Forces teams have been in place since the middle of the election cycle.

Apparently, a week ago, a new level had been reached in these Special Forces arrests whereby what was occurring needed to be publicly shared. Goode had a six page report read to him by his FBI/military source and wrote:

He gave me this report about a week ago and contacted me again stating it was important to get some of it out to the public. I was informed that a secret report on how pervasive these infiltrations are is more shocking than what was expected. Strangely, this report also had notes from several secret grand juries that are active right now in D.C.

The report states that the conspiracy involves the majority of powerful people in within the UN, EU, US, State and local (City) power structures. These government organization are completely complicit in what is going on. All the way down to local Post Offices and Police Offices. I have to tell you, this was a very creepy report.

These military investigators have expressed their shock and anger to their superiors as well as their desire to take them down. They report that it is so systemic that they are at a loss of how to counter and defeat these people without a military coup, which would involve US Special Forces and trusted “Military Contractors” that come from Alliance countries (And are already in place in the US).

Goode goes on to reveal that some Special Forces have been summarily executing some of these Satanic pedophiles, and have been taken off the investigation:

Some of these Special Forces Investigators have been removed from the investigation because they are HIGHLY suspected as being involved in torturing and killing some of these low level “Pedo-Gate” suspects. The scope of this cult takeover of government is shocking to even the people that think they have seen it all. They can’t figure out how the government was infiltrated to such a degree.

In our skype communication, Goode added:

Secret Space Program Whistleblowers Under Scrutiny – Response to Richard Dolan

Source: Exopolitics

On July 16, leading UFO historian, Richard Dolan, released an article setting out his views about how to assess individuals who have claimed to have direct knowledge and experience concerning secret space programs. He explains his sympathy for the view that such programs exist, and that people have been through these programs where they have or want to come forward with what they know.

However, he describes his general skeptism about individuals who not only claim to be whistleblowers with detailed knowledge about secret space programs, but who also achieve a certain degree of public acceptance, while providing no evidence in support of their claims:

But when it comes to significant claims being made–really big claims that are not only radical on their own merits but which transform the field (and bring fame and money to those making them), then we clearly need a higher standard than “he seems like a good guy with a detailed story so I believe him.”

Richard views such individuals as wittingly or unwittingly muddying the waters, making it increasingly difficult for independent researchers seeking to ascertain the truth about these programs.

He describes three whistleblowers in particular who have come forward and gained a level of public attention with their incredible claims:

Some of the most prominent of these people include Andrew Basiago, Randy Kramer, and Corey Goode. These three individuals have each claimed to have gone to Mars for extended periods of time. That’s explosive enough, of course, but they have also stated that they have engaged in time travel.

Richard points out that the lack of evidence means that we need to take the whistleblowers word for it, which can be a dangerous thing for researchers:

Again, I must emphasize that none of these whistleblowers has made a claim that an independent investigator can confirm. Everything is based on trust. Believing such stories without genuine evidence takes us down a dangerous road within an already treacherous field that is constantly in the crosshairs of a skeptical establishment.

He is here attempting to steer what he perceives to be the middle path between a highly critical group of skeptics and debunkers claiming such whistleblowers are, at best, delusional or at worst pathological liars, and supporters accepting whatever the whistleblowers have to say on trust alone.

Richard refers to a series of emails he received encouraging him to come out against Goode in particular, who has recently been subjected to sustained criticism from Bill Ryan and Daniel Liszt (aka Dark Journalist) in a series of interviews. Ryan and Liszt have been a focal point for an internet campaign to discredit Goode as a pathological liar.

have responded to their alleged impartial investigation of Goode elsewhere in terms of how they ignore documents and expert testimonies that validate Goode’s claims about his two-decades long background in the Information Technology industry. By ignoring Goode’s verifiable background, both investigators have deliberately attempted to cast doubt on his credibility by asserting that he came forward purely for monetary gain, as opposed to genuine whistleblower’ desire to reveal the truth about official wrong doing even at the cost of a once lucrative career.

I have reached out to Richard to share my assessment of Ryan and Listz’s hoax investigation, and included a link to the documents and experts I contacted and who corroborated Goode’s background. Richard has not replied, which I find surprising. Surely the willful obfuscation of a whistleblower’s background deserves public scrutiny and rebuke when investigators have acted inappropriately!

Yet apparently, Mr Dolan doesn’t agree. He doesn’t bring up any problems with Ryan and Liszt’s investigation of Goode in his post, but he does….

Read the rest of the article here

Corey Goode Update: Response to Richard Dolan & Letter from Dolan: On Corey, Andrew, and the Whistleblowers

Source: Stillness In The Storm

What if we focused all of the passion and talent from the “Ufology Community” on a grassroots campaign for Disclosure? 


Related Uniting The People For Full Disclosure | Steven Greer’s Cosmic False Flag Presentation: Review, Commentary, Analysis and Assessment of Claims Against Goode and Tompkins 

Sphere Being Alliance Facebook

by Corey Goode, July 19th, 2017

Response to a recent Facebook post from Richard Dolan titled “On Corey, Andrew, and the Whistleblowers “: https://www.facebook.com/notes/richard-dolan/on-corey-andrew-and-the-whistleblowers/1394366947350897

Richard, I read your recent post on Facebook with great interest. I appreciate how you made your argument without negativity or feeling the need to attack. I do disagree with you on some of the viewpoints you shared and accept that we will always disagree on these views. I do agree that testimony that has no evidence should be heavily discerned and have stated so since I came forward in 2015.

We, The Full Disclosure Project, are really looking for some balance and healing for the UFO Community between the pragmatic “nuts and bolts” types and the more “esoteric” types. Those who are convinced that we have had contact experiences are extremely committed to working towards disclosure of hidden technologies.

Honestly, for the last 70 years, little progress has been made by nuts and bolts research alone, the same can be said for the other side of the spectrum where people in the “experiencer” camp’s attempts to bring about disclosure by meditation alone.

In fact, since the 1950’s, contactee’s have been reporting that they have received the same basic message. The message has been consistent that we need to release suppressed technologies and to expand our consciousness or grow spiritually.

Both topics are not only equally important but are also the combination of the goals of both sides of what we are calling the Ufology community.

Related Full Disclosure Demonstration Gets Noticed by Air Force Secret Space Program — Small Steps Toward Unity and Trust Building

I really believe that if we can get both groups together and organize, “we the people” can force the issue of disclosure. Gaia has spent millions of dollars on advertising Cosmic Disclosure. Around 200k people watch the show per week.

I am under no illusions that most of my notoriety is based on Gaia’s advertising campaign and the wild success of Cosmic Disclosure. I actually own that fact and see it as an opportunity to bring the wider publics attention to all of this research. To be honest, none of us is FULLY clued in on the truth.
I do believe that all of us want to know the truth, what ever it is, and then re-align our reality bubbles with this truth.

I believe that unity in this community is something that could focus attention and energy toward the goal of a Full Disclosure.

I believe we can work together without having to endorse each other’s work or legitimizing information we disagree with.

I hope that we can begin to bring people together that can agree to disagree, set aside those disagreements and focus on obtaining the truth.

That being said, I didn’t take your article personally and am still very interested in working with you to try to bridge the divide between these two viewpoints.

(I sent a very similar message to another respected researcher this morning.)

Thank you,

Corey Goode
www.EclipseOfDisclosure.com
www.FullDisclosureProject.org

Letter from Richard Dolan:

On Corey, Andrew, and the Whistleblowers

A Secret Space Program? Yes.

Since 2009, I have written and spoken about a probable breakaway civilization. At the time, my thoughts centered on the knowledge that within the classified world there were certainly technological developments that have been kept secret, sometimes for a long time. Famously, the stealth fighter was fully operational and secret for six years before it was officially announced, while stealth technology itself had been in the works for more than a decade before that, without a peep to the rest of us. I recall my conversation with a former scientist at NSA from the mid-1960s who told me of NSA computer clockspeeds exceeding 600 mHz, a speed not reached by the consumer market for 35 years. Today, there are rumors that NSA or some other intelligence agency has achieved quantum computing—no one outside that world knows for sure.

Beyond that, rumors and allegations never cease about radical tech coming from the ‘black world.’ I have long credited the ARV story emanating from Brad Sorensen via Mark McCandlish. If true, it means that clandestine reverse-engineered flying saucer craft have been manufactured secretly and have been operational since at least the 1980s. Along these lines we have the statements coming during the 1980s and 1990s to respected aviation and aerospace journalist James Goodall. One of Goodall’s sources from within Groom Lake (Area 51) told him, “we have things in the Nevada desert that would make George Lucas envious,” and “we have things out there better than Star Trek, Star Wars, or anything you see in the movies.” And so on.

It’s not that we should take such claims as gospel. But there is a history, a pattern. Moreover, the sources of many of such claims come from individuals whose backgrounds have been confirmed, even if their stories have not. When it comes to UFOs and all things related, it’s a fact that we are dealing with things that are classified and secret. There is no getting around that fact, something most full-time debunkers seem conveniently to forget time and again. Unfortunately, those of us who research and investigate the secret world of the UFO cover-up are handicapped not merely by the intrinsic difficulty of the subject, which is substantial, but by the secrecy and obfuscation that perennially accompany it.

Still, over the years I have concluded that not only is there a probable “breakaway civilization,” utilizing classified technological breakthroughs, most likely derived in part from alien technology, but that this includes a secret space program. The two go together. That is, if you conclude, as I do, that …

1) UFOs are real

2) We have recovered some of this technology via Roswell and elsewhere

3) We have secretly been studying these breakthroughs over the many years

… then, it’s reasonable to assume that:

1) The classified world has made key breakthroughs over the years, some of which have been monetized, and others which are probably too important even for commercial profit and are being used covertly. Things such as radical propulsion technologies, for starters. There would undoubtedly be other breakthroughs, but who knows what.

2) Such breakthroughs would enable these people to do things utterly off limits to the rest of us, including, crazy as it might seem to many people, to go “off-world.”

3) There would be little to no incentive for those in-the-know to let the rest of us know what’s going on. It’s too big, too explosive a secret. It will only voluntarily be let out when it’s no longer important, which is usually the case with big secrets. All too often, we learn about important things after they become irrelevant.

There is more I can say here about all this, but in fact I’ve said it repeatedly herehere, and here, and many other places. The evidence for this hypothesis is very strong.
The New Whistleblowers: Andy, Corey, and the Rest 

For many years, there have been a number of other people, often described as “whistleblowers,” who have claimed to have participated in such secret space programs. Now, on the face of it, you could say that, assuming there is such a thing as a secret space program, it’s entirely conceivable that someone from the program would eventually speak out.

Some of the most prominent of these people include Andrew Basiago, Randy Kramer, and Corey Goode. These three individuals have each claimed to have gone to Mars for extended periods of time. That’s explosive enough, of course, but they have also stated that they have engaged in time travel. I met Andy back in 2012 at a conference in Santa Clara, California. I found him to be very personable and intelligent. Of course, that doesn’t mean I believe his story. I don’t believe that he went through a “jumproom” to Mars. I don’t believe that he did these things with a young Barack Obama in the 1980s. And I don’t believe that, as a child, he time travelled back to Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address, despite the fact that he claimed he was in a photograph depicting it.

I realize there are strange things beyond the circumscribed fence of our officially sanctioned reality. But I am not obligated to believe every story that crosses my path, especially those that are obviously self-aggrandising, and particularly those that don’t provide evidence.

So over the years I have mostly ignored Andy’s claims and stories. Although I have personally considered them unfortunate, I never had a desire or felt a need to do much about them.

I developed the same attitude regarding Corey Goode, who lately has become even more prominent than Andy. Like everyone else interested in ufology, I watched his claims sweep across the field starting in 2014. Corey claimed to have gone to Mars on a “twenty and back” program starting in his late teens, and then, at the conclusion of his program, was sent back to Earth. But not at his age in his late 30s, and not to an Earth twenty years later. Instead, he was “age regressed” and “time regressed” back to his teenage body, back to the same year he left. Mom never even knew he left the house.

Clearly, I found this story problematic and was amazed at the willingness of so many people to take him at his word. His story is perfectly designed to counter the obvious objections people might have to it: no paperwork, no twenty-year disappearance, no family member who can vouch for him, and so on.

My main issue when it comes to Corey Goode (or Andy or Randy Kramer for that matter) isn’t that I “disbelieve” them, per se. Yes, I find their stories to be unlikely. But the real problem has been that none of these people have provided the evidence that an independent investigator needs to make a determination one way or the other.

There is a concept in science and philosophy called falsifiability. If something is falsifiable, it doesn’t mean it’s false. It means you have the ability to test it, to investigate it, to determine whether it is true or false. It could tell you that my suitcase weighs thirty-five pounds. That’s falsifiable because you can take my suitcase and put it on a scale. Now, I could tell you that five years ago I checked a thirty-five pound suitcase at the airport for one of my flights. That is probably not falsifiable–unless perhaps you find the airline records.

In the instance of my suitcase, you might not doubt my claim, even if you can’t prove or disprove it. After all, it’s perfectly mundane and common.

But when it comes to significant claims being made–really big claims that are not only radical on their own merits but which transform the field (and bring fame and money to those making them), then we clearly need a higher standard than “he seems like a good guy with a detailed story so I believe him.”

Again, I must emphasize that none of these whistleblowers has made a claim that an independent investigator can confirm. Everything is based on trust. Believing such stories without genuine evidence takes us down a dangerous road within an already treacherous field that is constantly in the crosshairs of a skeptical establishment.

The MUFON Symposium 

Personal opinions aside, I have had no desire to be in a war with anyone in this field. I don’t have the time or energy to expend on such things. This, despite the fact that nearly every week I receive messages from people who want me to attack these people. For my part, I prefer to do my own research and focus on the fascinating nuances of the UFO phenomenon itself.

But I was unable to stay out of the controversy for a specific reason. Six months ago, I was asked by MUFON Director Jan Harzan to speak at the MUFON International Symposium. It had been six years since I had last spoken there

I decided to accept Jan’s offer to speak at the 2017 Symposium. He then asked me if I would speak specifically about the secret space program. In fact, I didn’t want to, and told him so. I had explored it in the past and was looking at other things. But he really wanted it, and so I thought, sure, I can do fresh research and present my findings.

Several months later, I learned that MUFON had organized this into the conference’s major theme, and that Corey Goode, Andrew Basiago, William Tompkins, and Dr. Michael Salla were not only presenting on that very topic, but that i would be featured on a panel with them. (In fairness I should add that MUFON has also invited other researchers, including Mark McCandlish and Michael Schratt, both highly credible, as well as bringing Gary McKinnon in by Skype).

Before I continue, let me have a word on Michael Salla and Bill Tompkins. I’ve known Michael for over a decade, and have had several long conversations with him. What I say here I have said to him personally: I believe he has done genuine and good research on a number of matters, but has a tendency to be too trusting. From my perspective, it’s always been like that. There are people who love his work, and there are haters. I am neither, but am always looking for information I can use. Sometimes I get good information and insights from his work and so I find him worthwhile to listen to, even if I don’t approve of his quickness to jump to conclusions.

Bill Tompkins is an interesting case. He is in his 90s, and recently wrote a book entitled Selected by Extraterrestrials, which details his life and claims about having participated in the Navy’s top secret program to create a secret space fleet. Unlike the other alleged whistleblowers, Tompkins has a career that has been confirmed: he did work at Douglas Aircraft for many years and has very impressive credentials. That counts for something. I should add that Dr. Salla and Dr. Bob Wood have both done a great deal of work to investigate and confirm Tompkins’ background and found what they believe is at least some corroboration to Tompkins’ claims.

Even so, I have my doubts about Mr. Tompkins. It’s not widely known, but I had the opportunity to be his publisher. After I learned about his credentials from Bob Wood, but before I read his manuscript, I had agreed in principle that I would publish it. But after reading the manuscript, I had to decline. I found the tone of this book to be perfectly designed to bring disrepute to the field and I wanted nothing to do with it. I found a number of obvious errors in the book and what seemed to me examples of self-aggrandisement that didn’t sit well with me. I wished Tompkins well and that was that. I haven’t made my final judgment on Tompkins, and perhaps I never will. If evidence can be brought forth to substantiate his key claims, then I will look at it.

In any case, when I learned I would be on a panel with Corey, Andy, Bill, and Michael, I phoned Jan and politely asked him what was he thinking. I mentioned my concern about MUFON’s decision to bring in individuals with claims that are inherently impossible to verify. MUFON, after all, is supposed to have evidence-based standards.

Jan explained himself as well as he could, essentially saying that he wanted to bring in diverse and interesting opinions and to let attendees decide for themselves. Well, MUFON is allowed to do what it wants, and of course the public is allowed to say what it wants in return. But this left me in an interesting position, and I realized it was time to begin expressing my thoughts on this more forthrightly.

I did this through a few different radio interviews, most definitively with Bill Ryan earlier in July 2017. That interview is on Youtube and gives a good overview of my thoughts (and his) on the matter of these whistleblowers and claims. Judging from the responses, it is obvious to me that the interview has touched a chord with many people out there.

Since then, Andrew Basiago has called me a liar and disinformation agent, but to my knowledge none of the other individuals concerned has.

In fact, I spoke recently with Corey Goode and said to him the same essentials as I am writing here. It’s nothing personal, I said, and while I am skeptical of his story, that is less important than the fact that his claims don’t allow for me to confirm them independently. To Corey’s credit, he didn’t take offense and we spoke cordially and candidly.

I want to make this point as clear as I can. My opinions (and yours, for that matter) don’t mean very much. What matters is the evidence that can be brought forward for these stories. I hold it as possible that there is something in these accounts that is true. After all, I believe that radical technology is being withheld from us. I believe the ARV story and more. But if a story gives me no chance to confirm or deny its basic claims, then it’s essentially useless to me as a researcher.

This is especially so if I cannot even confirm the basics of the person’s alleged career. I’ve said this many times. You can’t be considered a whistleblower if you can’t confirm that you are who you say you are. William Binney is a whistleblower. We know who he is. There are other real whistleblowers. If you can’t even confirm the basics of your alleged career, then you are not a whistleblower.

Related UFO Disinformation Agent Exposed — Fake Alien Invasion Scare Sponsored by Air Force Discredits Ufologist | A Case Study

Disinformation or Something Else?

About a year ago, in an interview with Jimmy Church, I said that if I were responsible for managing the secret space program, I would want to find people who had truly outrageous stories to tell. I would then make sure they received enough publicity to make the whole thing seem crazy. This would keep the mainstream far away while also derailing many genuine investigators and sending them down false leads.

We have to consider this as a genuine possibility. Especially when we consider American history from Cointelpro, through the false flags and color revolutions it has organized around the world, to Snowden’s leaks, and even former Obama official Cass Sunstein’s call for infiltration of allegedly anti-government organizations. If someone wanted to guard the secret space program while laying waste to the UFO field, they very well might cultivate such alleged whistleblowers.

There are many possibilities to what these people are saying. For my part, I don’t adhere definitively to any one of them. I don’t know the answers.

1) Could it be that they participated in a program and were utterly messed with upon being let go? I have known several ex-U.S. military people who were severely damaged mentally (intentionally) so as to protect the classified secrets they were exposed to. I consider this a crime, and one that ought to result in prosecution, were it not for the fact that our system is hopelessly and irredeemably corrupt and has been so for ages. By the way, at least one credible account has come to me describing the same thing happening to a former high-level KGB officer.

If this has happened to one or all of the alleged whistleblowers, is it possible that there is a kernel of truth somewhere in their claims? After all, the hallmark of disinformation is to place an important truth within several obvious falsehoods. That way, the truth is also discredited and the the secret can safely continue for a time longer. When you are running an important secret program, it’s all about buying time, and every little bit counts.

2) Could it be that one or more of them are simply mentally unbalanced? This is not for me to say, but I’ve met my share of such people and they exist. In this case, I really have no idea.

I would like to add something here. If any of these individuals have some form of mental disturbance, whether from induced trauma or simply a random act of the universe, they have my sincere sympathy. If any of them have been subjected to serious traumas, it might be that the only way they could piece their mental life together has been by creating a belief system they can live with, one that helps them make sense of their life and which shields them from an even darker reality. Such a belief would be so important to them that they might feel impelled to maintain it at all cost.

Again, this is all speculative.

3) Is it simply a case of people concocting a good story? Let me tell you a story from my past.

Many years ago, I had a close friend named Bill who was one of the funniest, smartest, and kindest people I ever knew. He died back in 1990 and I miss him to this day. Bill was a member of the DuPont family, so he said. He also talked extensively about having gone to the Juilliard School of Music, one time guest conducting the Philadelphia Orchestra, and even giving a grand piano recital as a child prodigy for Queen Elizabeth. Back then, my much younger self believed my friend. After Bill died, one of our colleagues investigated him. This was all during the pre-Web era, but nevertheless she found (shocker) that Bill wasn’t part of the DuPont family. Instead, his mother had been a secretary at DuPont. Bill never attended Juilliard, never guest-conducted the Philadelphia Orchestra, and certainly never met the Queen of England!
My dear friend was a pathological liar, at least when it came to his own accomplishments. Relating to everything else, as far as I can tell, he was perfectly honest. The interesting thing is that his lies about himself didn’t stop him from being a good and trusted friend to me or to many other people. Bill just liked to glorify himself.

The thing I learned from Bill is that you can be a good person and still lie. Conversely, you can be a real prick and still be telling the truth. When we investigate claims of any sort, we have to remember that personalities must always take a back seat to evidence.

One more thing about lying. When someone is lying to you, most of the time you believe them. That’s why they lie, after all. Because it often works and some people are very good at it. Many people who are genuinely honest have a hard time imagining why someone else could possibly lie. They are trusting to a fault.

So are these whistleblowers lying? Again, I don’t know. If someone is able to document a provable lie, then we need to know. But as of now I am not making any such assertions.

4) Is it a case that these people really did the things they claim, with little to no distortion in their story? If so, then I would think they still realize they have many hurdles to overcome in terms of credibility. I get the distinct impression that some of them realize this while others do not.

Moving Forward

I remain willing to engage in a civil discourse with Corey, Andrew, Bill Tompkins, Michael Salla, or anyone else who has made claims. In a sense, I understand their position, since I know what it’s like to speak to staunch skeptics about the UFO subject.

However, in any sort of engagement I have with such people, they must realize that the onus is on them to provide their evidence. That is what I do regarding UFOs. A story that is inherently unverifiable just doesn’t count, nor does it help if some other random person seemingly supports the story. Words alone aren’t good enough. Nothing can be taken at face value.

I have been in this field long enough to feel a responsibility for defending it. There are countless people out there who would like nothing more than to see the study of UFOs lying in ruins. That would be a great tragedy.

One of the problems of our era is that people seem to enjoy drama and anger. Social media amplifies the situation, allowing sentiments to spread through a community like a forest fire. I would like to encourage the supporters and critics alike to take a step back, take a breath, and before you continue running your mouth and continuing along your personal warpath, please remember that it’s always best to stay away from personal invective and adhere to the facts, wherever they lead.

No one ever became interested in ufology because of the infighting among researchers. They became interested because this is one of the most fascinating subjects of all time. There is something very important going on here, and the only way we have a chance to succeed in learning the truth is by adhering to the main and true path: studying the phenomenon itself with as much care as we can give it.

Richard Dolan

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